View Poll Results: Which pacer is feared most by batsmen?

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  • Harmison

    4 4.08%
  • Akhtar

    39 39.80%
  • lee

    32 32.65%
  • Munaf Patel

    20 20.41%
  • SreeSanth

    3 3.06%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy
    This is in no way a criticism, it is for educational purposes and I am intrigued as to the background of such a dedicated board member.
    Goughy, that last post of yours is so unfair. As the quote above proves, you asked him those personal details with the attached assurance that you weren't looking to criticise him. Richard gave you your answer and you attacked him anyway. That was a blatant Pearl Harbour.

    Also, it isn't necessary to have reached the pinnacle of any field in order to express your opinion. I'm quite confident that very few - if any - of us on here have reached the elite.

    Much to my eternal regret, I haven't achieved as highly in the sport as I know I could have, but I'm sure that doesn't reduce my knowledge, passion or insight one iota.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy
    Firstly I would like to point out that I have just had a baby 1 yr ago. My opinions of how to bring up a baby have changed massively since he was born. Simply, I thought I knew about the subject but until it really happened and I was a part of it I really did not. There is no replacement for experience and you (like I was before I had my baby) is someone who has second hand knowledge without true experience. It is one thing to watch and read but another to state your opinion as fact when it is based on such little experience.
    That's not much for experience, If you want real experience, have another one in next 10 months.

    Until then, I would say your experience with babies and Richards expereince in Cricket is pretty much same level.

    Apologies, If I offended you in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mundaneyogi
    Goughy, that last post of yours is so unfair. As the quote above proves, you asked him those personal details with the attached assurance that you weren't looking to criticise him. Richard gave you your answer and you attacked him anyway. That was a blatant Pearl Harbour.

    Also, it isn't necessary to have reached the pinnacle of any field in order to express your opinion. I'm quite confident that very few - if any - of us on here have reached the elite.

    Much to my eternal regret, I haven't achieved as highly in the sport as I know I could have, but I'm sure that doesn't reduce my knowledge, passion or insight one iota.
    Im sorry you found it unfair. Its just there are so many posts in which absolutes are mentioned and I wanted to know what experience these definitive judgements were based. I have been heavy in criticism in a number of threads but I have not posted on many others because I know I am not qualifed to pass judgement.

    I dont think its harsh to ask where the experience or knowledge to post 19000 times come from. I do not disagree with everything written but so much is presented in a way that suggests to think differently is completely wrong and I want to know the background of the guy who makes the statement.

    I apologise if it offends and I am not having a go but as previously stated it is purely for my own educational purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz
    That's not much for experience, If you want real experience, have another one in next 10 months.

    Until then, I would say your experience with babies and Richards expereince in Cricket is pretty much same level.

    Apologies, If I offended you in any way.
    Well I found out she is 6 weeks pregenant with the 2nd baby today. I dont know what that means with regards to the above post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mundaneyogi
    Goughy, that last post of yours is so unfair. As the quote above proves, you asked him those personal details with the attached assurance that you weren't looking to criticise him. Richard gave you your answer and you attacked him anyway. That was a blatant Pearl Harbour.

    Also, it isn't necessary to have reached the pinnacle of any field in order to express your opinion. I'm quite confident that very few - if any - of us on here have reached the elite.

    Much to my eternal regret, I haven't achieved as highly in the sport as I know I could have, but I'm sure that doesn't reduce my knowledge, passion or insight one iota.

    Agreed. Rereading everything I made assurances in the first post that I did not keep in the second.

    Apologies to all concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy
    Well I found out she is 6 weeks pregenant with the 2nd baby today. I dont know what that means with regards to the above post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy
    Im sorry you found it unfair. Its just there are so many posts in which absolutes are mentioned and I wanted to know what experience these definitive judgements were based. I have been heavy in criticism in a number of threads but I have not posted on many others because I know I am not qualifed to pass judgement.

    I dont think its harsh to ask where the experience or knowledge to post 19000 times come from. I do not disagree with everything written but so much is presented in a way that suggests to think differently is completely wrong and I want to know the background of the guy who makes the statement.

    I apologise if it offends and I am not having a go but as previously stated it is purely for my own educational purposes.
    I totally get that. Richard is incapable of debating, and his absolutist attitude annoys pretty much everyone, me included. Even so, it's still not really on to trick him like that, and he certainly doesn't have to have played to a high level to express himself.

    Richard does, however, really need to learn not to be so dogmatic, and to be more tolerant of other people and their views. Perhaps when he grows up he might be a little more easy going.

    Edit: Anyway, thanks for your apology. Richard should take a leaf from your book And congrats on the wee one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy
    Well I found out she is 6 weeks pregenant with the 2nd baby today. I dont know what that means with regards to the above post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy
    Well I found out she is 6 weeks pregenant with the 2nd baby today. I dont know what that means with regards to the above post?
    Is she sure it's hers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oz_fan
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    Even Sreesanth got a vote!!!

    The number of votes Munaf got shows the guy is inscreasingly being recognized as a threath to batsmen world wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RolledOver
    Even Sreesanth got a vote!!!

    The number of votes Munaf got shows the guy is inscreasingly being recognized as a threath to batsmen world wide.
    Or it shows that people are taking the ****, like I was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RolledOver
    The number of votes Munaf got shows the guy is inscreasingly being recognized as a threath to batsmen world wide.
    Or it shows that the options on the poll are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy
    I was asking because I find it hard to beleive anyone can post 19000 posts on a subject and I was wondering on what experience those 19000 posts were based on. I could not write that many post on myself and I have a lifetime of experience on the topic.

    Firstly I would like to point out that I have just had a baby 1 yr ago. My opinions of how to bring up a baby have changed massively since he was born. Simply, I thought I knew about the subject but until it really happened and I was a part of it I really did not. There is no replacement for experience and you (like I was before I had my baby) is someone who has second hand knowledge without true experience. It is one thing to watch and read but another to state your opinion as fact when it is based on such little experience.

    Also the reason I have an issue is what you were saying about fast bowlers. You were saying that speed is not a weapon without movement. Well, as someone who regularly bowls the ball 140+ (or at least used to) I can tell you that is nonsense. The most important thing to a genuine quick is length. Quick bowlers talk length more than movement as they can get the batter inbetween the correct position.

    If you have never bowled or faced this kind of ball it is hard to understand.

    Also this talk of Harmison being a bad bowler is a joke. As a 20 yr old who is out of his depth in the seconds Im sure you have a valid opinion but if you ever have indepth talks with FC and test players you would appreciate how highly he is rated. He is a different animal in the flesh than on TV or from the stands.

    I am not saying you don't have a valid opinion, but I don't agree with the fact that you post with such authority with so little first hand knowledge or experience.
    I simply can't accept that because "peers rate Harmison" that means he can be ineffectual in nearly every Test and not be a poor bowler.
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