I would put Hugh Tayfield and Subhash Gupte ahead of Laker.
And Tayfield and Gupte would be just a notch below the fab four - Murali, Warne, Tiger and Grimmett. Bedi, Chandra, Gibbs, Laker, Qadir, Saqlain, Prasanna and the others would follow later. Jim was great in one series, but I'm afraid one swallow does not a summer make!
Andy Zaltzman on Ravi Shastri: "A genuine dullness all-rounder. Scored and conceded runs at little more than 2 per over. If he could have bowled at himself, cricket would have died."
Need a laugh?
If these four deserve a shout, then Gillespie ought not to be left out either. A fair case could be made for Makhaya, Lee and Akhtar as well, IMHO. But a notch or two below Dizzy as Test bowlers.
Especially, if we consider ODIs, where Vaas and Lee would possibly be regarded as all-time greats of the format. None of the men I mentioned would be truly great bowlers in Tests though. Very good performers nonetheless!
EDIT: Ah! 90s bowlers! Didn't see that :-) Disregard this comment of mine.
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average of under 25 in 6 out of 10 series in which he played at least 3 tests. Doesn't appear so bad to me.
EDIT: And Hedley Verity and Hugh Tayfield ahead of any of the over-romanticized Indian spinners.
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My personal pecking order for the greatest spinners will be something like this (from the top of my mind):
Muttiah Muralitharan, Bill O'Reilly, Shane Warne, Clarrie Grimmett, Jim Laker, Hedley Verity, Richie Benaud, Hugh Tayfield, Anil Kumble, Subhash Gupte, Johnny Wardle, Chandrashekhar, Bedi, Prasanna, Saqlain, Faulkner, Underwood, Qadir, Gibbs, Colin Blythe, Mankad, Harbhajan, MacGill etc etc...
Last edited by weldone; 18-05-2011 at 08:53 AM.
"I want to raise my hand and say one thing. Those who complain about my love for the game or commitment to the game are clueless. These are the only 2 areas where I give myself 100 out of 100."
- Sachin Tendulkar, as told in an interview published in Bengali newspaper Anandabazar Patrika after his 100th International century (translated by weldone)
Wasim Akram , such a beast of a bowler , found the weaknesses of classy batsmen which other bowlers do that now a days.
I think there'll sooner be another Bradman than another Warne. - Gidgeon Haigh
[Warne is] the greatest bowler ever produced in this entire world - Muttiah Muralidaran
[Warne is] the greatest bowler of all time - Glenn McGrath
In my opinion Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer who's ever lived - Ian Botham
Warne is the greatest cricketer to pick up a ball ever.
And is the greatest bowler I have ever laid eyes on. - Brian Lara
The reason Ikki mentions in post # 221 is true.
Additionally, Laker rarely had to shoulder the burden of carrying an attack. The way men like Gupte, Tayfield and the outstanding Grimmett-O'Reilly combination did. Not to deny that Jim was a fine bowler, but bowling alongside great seamers like Bedser, Bailey and Fiery Fred, a spin bowler's job is arguably a lot easier.
Hedley Verity is a top shout. I would agree with that. For anyone who has not read/investigated enough about Subhash Gupte, this post by SJS is a masterpiece!
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