Is Imran one of the 10 best bowlers ever?

[SJS]

Originally Posted by archie mac

Thanks for that SJS a great list of fast bowlers there. No McGrath?

I didnt take the current bowlers.

Just give me a minute.

[SJS]

Okay here is one bowler each from just before and just after the first list.

Bowler......Top Order.......Top and Middle
John Snow.....40.6....................72.3
McGrath.........40.4....................75.1

[social]

Originally Posted by C_C

You seriously think that Lillee never got decimated ? Almost every bowler has been shredded a few times.


Does 21-4-91-0 ( 6 ball overs) sound 'shredded' enough for you ?

C_C

I made it easy

Name 5 innings in a career spanning 70 tests, a no. of "super tests', and a 5 test series vs the world x1 and you come up with undefined figures that could belong to anyone.

Lillee went for 5 runs per over 3 times in his whole career.

His economy rate for his whole career was 2.75!!!!!!!!!

This was despite rarely bowling with more than 3 guys on the leg-side.

Call other people greater bowlers but never say he was inconsistent - youre simply showing your ignorance.

[honestbharani]

Originally Posted by SJS

Someone wanted to know the proportion of top order in a bowlers figures. Here they are in percentage of career wickets.

Bowler....Top and middle order
Marshall......73.6
Lillee...........72.7
Holding........72.3
Imran...........71.3
Waqar.........70.8
Hadlee........70.1
Croft............69.4
Roberts.......67.9
Garner.........66.4
Wasim.........65.0

Bowler....Top order
Hadlee........36.7
Lillee...........36.1
Imran..........35.4
Waqar.........35.4
Croft............34.7
Holding........33.3
Marshall.......33.2
Roberts........33.2
Garner.........32.8
Wasim.........31.9

That is interesting. But SJS, don't you think the Windies quartet kept splitting wickets between them in such a way that affected their percentages?

[SJS]

Well I thought of that but then these are not absolute figures in number of wickets but percentages. The West Indians would surely get fewer wickets each since there were four of them but in the long run they would get fewer wickets of batsmen at every place in the order.

Whsat would happen, however, is that someone like Glen McGrath with a very strong spinner in the side, would find the middle order cleaned up by Warne who wouldnt be bowling in hort spells as the first and second change fast bowlers would have. Hence the lower percentage of middle order with McGrath which would automatically raise the percentage of the top order victims.

Snow too had in Underwood a very strong middle order remover.

[krishneelz]

for me Sydney Barnes is the greastest of all

Overs Maidens Runs Wickets Aver.
Test matches 1313.3 358 3106 189 16.43

County cricket 1931.2 633 4456 226 19.71

Other first-class matches 2028.3 620 4600 304 15.13

For Staffordshire 5457.3 1647 11754 1441 8.15

League and Club 12802 3532 27974 4069 6.03

Combined 23509.3 6784 51890 6229 8.33

now thats insane

[SJS]

Originally Posted by krishneelz

for me Sydney Barnes is the greastest of all

Overs Maidens Runs Wickets Aver.
Test matches 1313.3 358 3106 189 16.43
County cricket 1931.2 633 4456 226 19.71
Other first-class matches 2028.3 620 4600 304 15.13
For Staffordshire 5457.3 1647 11754 1441 8.15
League and Club 12802 3532 27974 4069 6.03
Combined 23509.3 6784 51890 6229 8.33

now thats insane

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