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    Difference between Legbreak and Legbreak googly?

    Often when looking up bowling averages i find sometimes that one leggie might have his bowling style down as LB (Legbreak) and another one as (LBG) Legbreak googly.

    Now why is this? Is a guy who has (LB) as his style officially known not to be able to bowl a googly or is there another reason?

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    Think you've just summed it up

    Waiting for the OBD classification, off break doosra to appear
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    Must be pain to watch all the guy's deliveries and try and spot a googly...

    And how effective would a leggie who can't bowl a googly be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autobahn
    Must be pain to watch all the guy's deliveries and try and spot a googly...

    And how effective would a leggie who can't bowl a googly be?
    I was pretty effective right up to U18 level, never bowled a googly in my life..

    I found the biggest weapons were angle, and variations in flight, as well as keeping it tight, waiting for the batsman to give it away


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    Quote Originally Posted by Autobahn
    Must be pain to watch all the guy's deliveries and try and spot a googly...

    And how effective would a leggie who can't bowl a googly be?
    I don't think Shane Warne is good at bowling googlies but it hasn't seemed to hurt him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavjotSidhu
    I don't think Shane Warne is good at bowling googlies but it hasn't seemed to hurt him.
    How the hell did i forget about warney?

    Man that was a stupid question

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    Perhaps a LBG is someone who bowls the googly as their stock delivery? Kinda like a right-armed version of Paul Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltman
    Perhaps a LBG is someone who bowls the googly as their stock delivery? Kinda like a right-armed version of Paul Adams.
    no because that's what shane warne is listed as.

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    Maybe it was a typo?

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    It looks more than likely that different bowlers have got classified by different people, and some people use LB and some LBG.
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    The LBG definition is one of the stupidest things anyone ever came-up with.
    Would you class a seamer who bowls slower-balls (just about everyone, really) RAMF\SM? Or a right-arm fingerspinner OB\AB (off-breaks\arm-balls).
    A bowling definition should refer to stock-balls only. Only a tiny number of bowlers have ever bowled the Googly as a stock-ball. Even Adams is listed as "Chinamen" (left-arm-wristspin-orthodox) in most places.
    In any case, as I've always said, listing bowlers as "off-break\leg-break\slow-left-arm\left-arm-chinamen" is stupid.
    Simple enough, it should just be RAFS\RAWS\LAFS\LAWS.
    And for people like Murali and Adams, just don't try to define them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    The LBG definition is one of the stupidest things anyone ever came-up with.
    Would you class a seamer who bowls slower-balls (just about everyone, really) RAMF\SM? Or a right-arm fingerspinner OB\AB (off-breaks\arm-balls).
    A bowling definition should refer to stock-balls only. Only a tiny number of bowlers have ever bowled the Googly as a stock-ball. Even Adams is listed as "Chinamen" (left-arm-wristspin-orthodox) in most places.
    In any case, as I've always said, listing bowlers as "off-break\leg-break\slow-left-arm\left-arm-chinamen" is stupid.
    Simple enough, it should just be RAFS\RAWS\LAFS\LAWS.
    And for people like Murali and Adams, just don't try to define them.
    Well i can't see a problem with the current listing really and i can't see how yours would improve it and wouldn't murali by your own words be defined as a Off-break bowler because his stock ball is the off-break?

    And adams would be a Left-arm Chinaman because his stock ball is the one turns back into the batsmen (the chinaman) his action is very odd but it doesn't make him impossible to define.

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    Murali's stock-ball is the off-break only to right-handers.
    And with more left-handers in the game now than ever, it's even more stupid than it's ever been to list bowlers as "off" or "leg" break, because the fact is what's an off-break to a right-hander is a leg-break to a left-hander - without anything about the ball changing.

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    I always thought it was taken from the bowlers viewpoint.

    "murali sees his ball spin from off to leg, delivered out of his right hand and realises he's bowled an off-break because from his view it's behaving as an off-break would"

    Surely that would be better than having the bowlers style change everytime a single is taken?

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    How does the bowler decide which stump is off and which is leg, with no batsman there?
    Off and leg are terms which apply only to batting.

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