Rules Of The Game Question

Prince EWS · 04-02-2006, 01:43 AM

Today, while playing for my club side in a meaningless second innings (I dont even really know why we bothered attempting to win outright to be honest), a bowler from my side was called no-ball for not informing the umpire he was changing from pace to spin.

I was adament this rule was incorrect, as you dont even have to inform the umpire in the first place as to whether you are bowling pace or spin, and it really is subjective anyway. As far as I know, you only have to inform the umpire if you wish to bowl on the other side of the wicket, or if you wish to bowl with the other hand.

I thought I should double-check though, before I had a big fat whinge about it, so can anyone confirm this for me?

SirBloody Idiot · 04-02-2006, 01:46 AM

He's wrong. Otherwise pace bowlers couldn't bowl cutters, and spinners quicker balls.

Burpey · 04-02-2006, 01:48 AM

Was the umpire Billy Bowden by any chance?

Prince EWS · 04-02-2006, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirBloody Idiot

He's wrong. Otherwise pace bowlers couldn't bowl cutters, and spinners quicker balls.

That's what I thought too.

The bowler could have easily just said "Im still bowling pace, that was just my slower one that turns that I bowl off a short run-up."

Prince EWS · 04-02-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by burkey_1988

Was the umpire Billy Bowden by any chance?

No, it was the opposition captain, in fact...

Deja moo · 04-02-2006, 04:07 AM

Well, that explains it. doesn't it ?

Prince EWS · 04-02-2006, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Deja moo

Well, that explains it. doesn't it ?

Haha.. indeed.

Does anyone have a link to a cricket rules website, or a possible quote from the section regarding notification of the umpire?

Neil Pickup · 04-02-2006, 04:30 AM

You're completely correct - Law 24.1

Law 24 (No ball)

1. Mode of delivery
(a) The umpire shall ascertain whether the bowler intends to bowl right handed or left handed, over or round the wicket, and shall so inform the striker.
It is unfair if the bowler fails to notify the umpire of a change in his mode of delivery. In this case the umpire shall call and signal No ball.

(b) Underarm bowling shall not be permitted except by special agreement before the match.

Prince EWS · 04-02-2006, 04:45 AM

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It is unfair if the bowler fails to notify the umpire of a change in his mode of delivery. In this case the umpire shall call and signal No ball.

That bit is a bit unclear on the matter, though...

How is "mode of delivery" defined?

EDIT: Dont worry, I'm blind. That whole section is called "mode of delivery" and it doesnt mention spin or pace at all.

thierry henry · 05-02-2006, 02:25 AM

Today in the 20/20 final Scott Styris was chopping and changing between off-breaks off about a 4 pace run-up, and medium pacers, without notifying anyone several times in some overs.

andyc · 05-02-2006, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

You're completely correct - Law 24.1

Law 24 (No ball)

1. Mode of delivery
(a) The umpire shall ascertain whether the bowler intends to bowl right handed or left handed, over or round the wicket, and shall so inform the striker.
It is unfair if the bowler fails to notify the umpire of a change in his mode of delivery. In this case the umpire shall call and signal No ball.

(b) Underarm bowling shall not be permitted except by special agreement before the match.

Wow. Reading that, it says that on a no ball, a batsman can only be out for handled the ball, double hit, obstructing the field or a run out. I always thought he could be stumped, as well.

Edit: Ahhh... after reading more rules, I've found out that you can effectively be out stumped, only it's listed as run out so that the bowler isn't accredited with the wicket. Makes sense.

luckyeddie · 05-02-2006, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thierry henry

Today in the 20/20 final Scott Styris was chopping and changing between off-breaks off about a 4 pace run-up, and medium pacers, without notifying anyone several times in some overs.

Yes, but in Scott Styris's case that's totally accidental of course.

04-02-2006, 01:43 AM	#1 (permalink)
Prince EWS Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New South Wales Posts: 37,728	Rules Of The Game Question Today, while playing for my club side in a meaningless second innings (I dont even really know why we bothered attempting to win outright to be honest), a bowler from my side was called no-ball for not informing the umpire he was changing from pace to spin. I was adament this rule was incorrect, as you dont even have to inform the umpire in the first place as to whether you are bowling pace or spin, and it really is subjective anyway. As far as I know, you only have to inform the umpire if you wish to bowl on the other side of the wicket, or if you wish to bowl with the other hand. I thought I should double-check though, before I had a big fat whinge about it, so can anyone confirm this for me? __________________ ~ Cribbage

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Neil Pickup Cricket Web Staff Member / Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oxford, England Posts: 26,361	You're completely correct - Law 24.1 Law 24 (No ball) 1. Mode of delivery (a) The umpire shall ascertain whether the bowler intends to bowl right handed or left handed, over or round the wicket, and shall so inform the striker. It is unfair if the bowler fails to notify the umpire of a change in his mode of delivery. In this case the umpire shall call and signal No ball. (b) Underarm bowling shall not be permitted except by special agreement before the match. __________________ MSN Messenger: minardineil2000 at hotmail dot com \| AAAS Chairman CricketWeb Black \| CricketWeb XI Captain ClarkeWatch: We're Watching Rikki - Are You? Up The Grecians - Exeter City FC Completing the Square: My Cricket Web Blog

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SirBloody Idiot Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moving the hole in the o-zone layer Posts: 8,442	He's wrong. Otherwise pace bowlers couldn't bowl cutters, and spinners quicker balls.

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Burpey Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 7,584	Was the umpire Billy Bowden by any chance?

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thierry henry International Captain Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 5,032	Today in the 20/20 final Scott Styris was chopping and changing between off-breaks off about a 4 pace run-up, and medium pacers, without notifying anyone several times in some overs.

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