Next generation Australian keepers.

[Tim]

Whoever replaces Gilchrist is going to be under alot of pressure, thats for sure. Australian fans will be expecting the next guy to pick up where Gilchrist left off...and that will be difficult, because guys like Gilchrist don't come along every day.

 

[Josh]

not really only the young keepers came in when the senior one's retired, none were actually dropped for the younger keeper.

Roach was.

 

[Josh]

Dawson is not a regular keeper for Tasmania. He would have to be their first choice to be considered.

By the time 2007 comes around, the young guys will have another season or two under their belts so a better decision can be made. At the moment if Gilly broke down and had to be replaced, Haddin would be chosen. Out of the young guns, Hartley is ahead of the rest. He has scored plenty of runs and has taken some brilliant catches. Crosthwaite has not shown anything with the bat and Ronchi has not played a FC game for WA this season, though that will change with Campbell retiring. Don't discount Manou. he is a good attacking batsman, solid keeper and has shown some leadership abilities while captaining SA.

Crosthwaite hasn't shown NOTHING with the bat. He has quite a few handy scores. He needs to bat higher tho he doesn't get decent chances to score.

 

[chaminda_00]

Considering he sometimes plays as a specialist batsman with Paine/Clingleffer in the side as well, I'd assume his keeping isnt quite up to the mark....

Clingleffer probably the best keeper in Australia outside Gilly and i don't know why Paine keeps infront of him. Dawson a decent keeper and his keeping up the 1st Class, but Hartley got the jump over the rest.

 

[The Argonaut]

Looking at the FC stats this season, Crosthwaite has worst record so it is easy to say he has shown not much with the bat.

FYI

Haddin 189 at 47
Hartley 314 at 39
Manou 268 at 38
Clingeleffer 316 at 35
Campbell 392 at 33
Crosthwaite 161 at 20

 

[Josh]

Looking at the FC stats this season, Crosthwaite has worst record so it is easy to say he has shown not much with the bat.

FYI

Haddin 189 at 47
Hartley 314 at 39
Manou 268 at 38
Clingeleffer 316 at 35
Campbell 392 at 33
Crosthwaite 161 at 20

There have been a few matches he hasn't batted aswell (sometimes 1 innings, sometimes both), he's simply batting way too low.

Doing alright in ODD's.

 

[Mister Wright]

Hartley is the best keeper in the country and is more than handy with the bat, obviously he would be my choice. I agree with Jason though, Manou shouldn't be discounted either, he has shown plenty.

 

[aussie]

Hartley is the best keeper in the country and is more than handy with the bat, obviously he would be my choice. I agree with Jason though, Manou shouldn't be discounted either, he has shown plenty.

yea thats true Manou's batting seems to have been improving this season if he can keep improving in the next couple of years he could well & be a candidate, but i stll do get the feeling that Hartley will get the nod ahead of him.

 

[Mister Wright]

yea thats true Manou's batting seems to have been improving this season if he can keep improving in the next couple of years he could well & be a candidate, but i stll do get the feeling that Hartley will get the nod ahead of him.

Unless Hartley gets a long term injury or starts dropping catches everywhere ar averages single figures with the bat he will be Australia's next long term keeper considering he was chosen as Haddin's replacement on the 'A' tour when at the time he wasn't even Qld's first choice keeper.

 

[aussie]

Unless Hartley gets a long term injury or starts dropping catches everywhere ar averages single figures with the bat he will be Australia's next long term keeper considering he was chosen as Haddin's replacement on the 'A' tour when at the time he wasn't even Qld's first choice keeper.

yea that was a big hit by the selectors wasn't it, i expect that as well.

On a side note how this 16 look for a possible ashes squad in 2009:

1. Ricky Ponting* - Captain Age: 34 in 2009 ashes
2. Chris Hartley+ - W/Keeper Age: 27 in 2009 ashes
3. Brad Haddin+ - W/Keeper Age: 31 in 2009 ashes
4. Phil Jaques Age: 30 in 2009 ashes
5. David Hussey Age: 32 in 2009 ashes
6. Mike Hussey Age: 34 in 2009 ashes
7. Shane Watson Age: 28 in 2009 ashes
8. Michael Clarke Age: 28 in 2009 ashes
9. Mark Cosgrove Age: 25 in 2009 ashes
10. Shane Warne Age: 39 in 2009 ashes
11. Daniel Cullen Age: 25 in 2009 ashes
12. Brett Lee Age: 32 in 2009 ashes
13. Shaun Tait Age: 26 in 2009 ashes
14. Jason Gillespie/Paul rofe Ages: 34/28 in 2009 ashes
15. Brett Dorey Age: 31 in 2009 ashes
16. Mitchell Johnson Age: 27 in 2009 ashes

 

[chaminda_00]

Replace David Hussey with a opener, Warne with Jack McNamara. Gillespie, Dorey and Johnson with Bracken, Henquries and Shaun Marsh you have got more realistic side. The 2nd openers spot will be inbetween Micheal Klinger, Chris Rogers, Callum Fergurson or Marcus North

 

[aussie]

Replace David Hussey with a opener, Warne with Jack McNamara. Gillespie, Dorey and Johnson with Bracken, Henquries and Shaun Marsh you have got more realistic side. The 2nd openers spot will be inbetween Micheal Klinger, Chris Rogers, Callum Fergurson or Marcus North

maybe we could replace Hussey with another opner more so Rodgers since he seems to be improving a lot. Cant consider jack ATM unfortunately , people like Cullen Bailey & White & Casson are ahead of him.

Maybe we could swap Bracken for Dorey, but why swap Dizzy & Johnson for a batsman & a batting/all-rounder. If Johnson improves by then i.e fullfilling the potential everyone says he has i cant see him not being a part of the side then. While i think Rofe has a great chance of being a part of the team them won't discount him at all.

 

[Mister Wright]

maybe we could replace Hussey with another opner more so Rodgers since he seems to be improving a lot. Cant consider jack ATM unfortunately , people like Cullen Bailey & White & Casson are ahead of him.

Maybe we could swap Bracken for Dorey, but why swap Dizzy & Johnson for a batsman & a batting/all-rounder. If Johnson improves by then i.e fullfilling the potential everyone says he has i cant see him not being a part of the side then. While i think Rofe has a great chance of being a part of the team them won't discount him at all.

I think the possibilities for 2009 Ashes squad will look something like this:

Openers: Jaques, Klinger & Rodgers
Middle Order: Ponting, Hussey, Symonds, White, Birt, Ferguson, North & Marsh
All rounders: Watson, Hopes
Keeper: Hartley
Spinners: Bailey, Cullen, Casson
Quicks; Lee, Gillespie, Tait, Wise, Dorey, Johnson & perhaps Bird & Siddle.

 

[chaminda_00]

I think the possibilities for 2009 Ashes squad will look something like this:

Openers: Jaques, Klinger & Rodgers
Middle Order: Ponting, Hussey, Symonds, White, Birt, Ferguson, North & Marsh
All rounders: Watson, Hopes
Keeper: Hartley
Spinners: Bailey, Cullen, Casson
Quicks; Lee, Gillespie, Tait, Wise, Dorey, Johnson & perhaps Bird & Siddle.

lol all 22 players will be on the tour then

I don't think they will take three spinners and i don't think they will take 6 quicks especially with Watson in the sqaud and no Crosgrove and Clarke

This would my potential 16 after some consideration:

Openers: Jaques, Hussey, Ferguson
Middle Order: Pointing, Clarke, Crosgove, Marsh
All Rounders: Watson, Henquries
Bowlers: Lee, Tait, Bracken, Gillespie/Johnson
Spinners: Cullen, White/Casson
Keepers: Hartley

Ferguson and Crosgove are the makeshift openers if required, 8 batting options, six seam options. But for Australia sake they better how some quailty fast bowler comes through if Gillespie isn't back, cus Johnson crap which ever way you look at it and the options will be in their 30s and unless the cemented a spot prior you would think the youngsters will get a run.

 

[aussie]

I think the possibilities for 2009 Ashes squad will look something like this:

Openers: Jaques, Klinger & Rodgers
Middle Order: Ponting, Hussey, Symonds, White, Birt, Ferguson, North & Marsh
All rounders: Watson, Hopes
Keeper: Hartley
Spinners: Bailey, Cullen, Casson
Quicks; Lee, Gillespie, Tait, Wise, Dorey, Johnson & perhaps Bird & Siddle.

i agree with most of these options although i dont think we should discount David Hussey has a possible middle-oder candidate then even though he will be past 30 & with the fast bowlers neither should Paul Rofe.

Here is what i think australia starting XI may look like presuming Warne isn't going to be their:

Jaques
Rogers
Ponting
M Hussey
Watson
Clarke
Hartley
Lee
Cullen
Gillespie/Johnson
Tait

But then again if you look at how england may look like like, it could be another difficult ashes tour for australia.

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
KP
Freddie
Prior/G.Jones
Plunkett
Harmy
Jonah
Panesar

 

[Mister Wright]

lol all 22 players will be on the tour then

I don't think they will take three spinners and i don't think they will take 6 quicks especially with Watson in the sqaud and no Crosgrove and Clarke

This would my potential 16 after some consideration:

Openers: Jaques, Hussey, Ferguson
Middle Order: Pointing, Clarke, Crosgove, Marsh
All Rounders: Watson, Henquries
Bowlers: Lee, Tait, Bracken, Gillespie/Johnson
Spinners: Cullen, White/Casson
Keepers: Hartley

Ferguson and Crosgove are the makeshift openers if required, 8 batting options, six seam options. But for Australia sake they better how some quailty fast bowler comes through if Gillespie isn't back, cus Johnson crap which ever way you look at it and the options will be in their 30s and unless the cemented a spot prior you would think the youngsters will get a run.

Um..dar! I said possibilities for the 2009 tour, not the 2009 tour squad.

 

[Mister Wright]

i agree with most of these options although i dont think we should discount David Hussey has a possible middle-oder candidate then even though he will be past 30 & with the fast bowlers neither should Paul Rofe.

Here is what i think australia starting XI may look like presuming Warne isn't going to be their:

Jaques
Rogers
Ponting
M Hussey
Watson
Clarke
Hartley
Lee
Cullen
Gillespie/Johnson
Tait

But then again if you look at how england may look like like, it could be another difficult ashes tour for australia.

Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Bell
KP
Freddie
Prior/G.Jones
Plunkett
Harmy
Jonah
Panesar

David Hussey is far too inconsistent to ever be a contender especially considering his age. I mean the guy scores a double century gets touted as a test player then not long after is dropped from the side.

 

[aussie]

David Hussey is far too inconsistent to ever be a contender especially considering his age. I mean the guy scores a double century gets touted as a test player then not long after is dropped from the side.

you have a point their, seems like another Brad Hodge in the making so in a sense Australia middle order come 2009 will be full of under 30's baring Ponting & Mike Hussey, good in some ways could be negative as well.

 

[howardj]

Yeah, I think one of the traps you can fall into in predicting the next Ashes squad, is thinking that there will be heaps of changes, just because it is three years away. Three years is not really that much time. Five of our seven batsmen toured in 2001 and 2005; In 2005, we had the same Test attack for the first Test that we had in 2001. So, things don't change that much- even with the squad getting older. Anyway, if I had to speculate, my 2009 squad would look something like:

Langer; Jacques; Ponting; Clarke; Cosgrove; MHussey; Watson.

Haddin; Hartley.

Warne; Cullen.

Bracken; Lee; Tait; Dorey; and one of Henriques/Bird/Johnson.

 

[aussie]

looks very possible howard.