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    English leg spinners?

    I was chatting with a workmate today, who bought up the subject of Ashley Giles, Eddie Hemmings and the overall mediocrity of England's international spinners over the years.

    Of all the spinners we thought of, Shaun Udal, Robert Croft, etc..., every single one wa a finger spinner. We couldn't name a single wrist spinner whose played for either England or the MCC in its entire history!

    Can anyone out there name a single English Leg spinner or Chinaman spinner?

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    My mum's old employer, the chain-smoking Robin Hobbs. Last leggie to take 1000 1st class wickets, as he rarely forgets to tell anyone. Didn't actually do too badly in tests, better than Salisbury and Schofield by quite some way, and I know that Mike Brearly mentions him in The Art Of Captaincy as being a bowler who could have done far more if he had been treated better by his captain at Essex, who wanted him to bowl like a SLA and be economical. He was probably the worst captain in Glamorgan's history, too.

    He is also well known for hitting one of the fastest centuries in history against Australia in a tour match at Chelmsford.
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    I went to Lords for coaching with Terry Jenner and its pretty obvious the talent is there, most of our good leggies are of asian descent, bar Mark Lawson..

    I dont see what the fuss is about, there is no point in looking for a leggie that might be okay, thats not good enough, may as well concentrate on the country's fast bowling strengths.. I think when Warne goes people will stop searching so much..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    I went to Lords for coaching with Terry Jenner and its pretty obvious the talent is there, most of our good leggies are of asian descent, bar Mark Lawson..

    I dont see what the fuss is about, there is no point in looking for a leggie that might be okay, thats not good enough, may as well concentrate on the country's fast bowling strengths.. I think when Warne goes people will stop searching so much..
    I think it's inevitable that when a genuine great comes along other teams try to find their own version of him. We tried to find our Warne for many years (seems incredible now to think Schofield was actually one of the first dozen central contracts) & Oz are now doing it to an extent in their search for a Freddie-clone. Watson & now Symonds are being given runs in their test team on the strength of their bowling when there are (IMHO) better batters in Oz.

    WRT English leg-spinners, didn't Lord Ted bowl a few in his day too? I know some thought Athers has a bit of potential as a part-time leggie before his back went too.
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    Atherton actually has 108 first-class wickets. In his autobiography he says that after his debut one of the Australians said he liked the look of his bowling but not his batting. Nasser was a very, very good schoolboy legspinner too, though he says he didn't really understand why he was so good at it, and he lost it when he started getting taller.

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    What's annoying is that someone who had the talent (Schofield) was an arrogant **** who never worked on his accuracy or even his game and expected stuff just to happen while someone who worked so hard at their game for years (Salisbury) just didn't posses the raw talent.

    It's a right funny old game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    WRT English leg-spinners, didn't Lord Ted bowl a few in his day too? I know some thought Athers has a bit of potential as a part-time leggie before his back went too.
    I believe it was a genuine leg-spinning all-rounder rather than just a part-timer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubb
    My mum's old employer, the chain-smoking Robin Hobbs. Last leggie to take 1000 1st class wickets, as he rarely forgets to tell anyone. Didn't actually do too badly in tests, better than Salisbury and Schofield by quite some way, and I know that Mike Brearly mentions him in The Art Of Captaincy as being a bowler who could have done far more if he had been treated better by his captain at Essex, who wanted him to bowl like a SLA and be economical. He was probably the worst captain in Glamorgan's history, too.
    He is also well known for hitting one of the fastest centuries in history against Australia in a tour match at Chelmsford.
    So, he went to Glamorgan and it didn't work out. (And while undoubtedly bad, I don't think he was the worst ever).

    He was still a very, very good bowler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Halsey
    So, he went to Glamorgan and it didn't work out. (And while undoubtedly bad, I don't think he was the worst ever).

    He was still a very, very good bowler.
    You're right. Excuse the hyperbole. He was far too far past his best to succeed really. It was an odd choice from Glam and from him to accept.

    Thinking of another Essex leggie, Peter Smith was serious class, and a good down-the-order batsman too.

    I was just about to edit in to say Smith once scored 168* from no. 11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubb
    You're right. Excuse the hyperbole. He was far too far past his best to succeed really. It was an odd choice from Glam and from him to accept.

    Thinking of another Essex leggie, Peter Smith was serious class, and a good down-the-order batsman too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autobahn
    What's annoying is that someone who had the talent (Schofield) was an arrogant **** who never worked on his accuracy or even his game and expected stuff just to happen while someone who worked so hard at their game for years (Salisbury) just didn't posses the raw talent.

    It's a right funny old game.
    Yeah thats true, can't believe that rubbish schofield had with lancs cricket club.. He was dire, so why shouldn't they have gotten rid of him?

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