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    Great Characters From Cricket's Golden Age=5 stars
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    The Summer Game=5 stars
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    Hmmmm. Does this mean we need to re-evalute the ratings system? I put so much thought into developing it

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    3star - an above average book that is either well written or contains information of interest, but lacks polish

    3.5star - a well written book on familiar subject matter, or a very well researched book but not perfectly presented

    4star - A highly recommended book that should appeal to all fans, or a very specialised book that is of great value but only to a limited section of the cricketing community

    4.5star - A book that should be in all cricket libraries. Essential reading.

    5star - Has not yet been awarded, and until one of the review team manages to have one of their efforts published, it is likely to remain that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Gregory View Post
    Hmmmm. Does this mean we need to re-evalute the ratings system? I put so much thought into developing it
    I think it is possible to buy mostly good books with a bit of discretion.

    Of the 130 books reviewed on CW I have only 52. BUT - I have all five of the five-stars, all but 4 of the 21 four-and-a-half stars, and half of the 38 four stars.

    More importantly, I have just one of those rated less than 3 stars. That too is a gift from a dear Australian friend who keeps on sending me books on Bradman

    Cricket books are expensive, particularly when new, and there is a lot of very bad work along with some great stuff. If one is not taken in by the celebrity-value of the author or the attraction of the book title, one can make very good choices and spend money very wisely.

    The average rating of the 52 books of mine, which are rated on CW is over four and I have no doubt that if all the 500 or so books I have were rated here, the average would be higher.

    So my advise to people starting cricket libraries is - use your discretion and if you are not familiar with the good writers on the game - ask. CW reviews are a good place to pick up hints on what to buy. That I think is the greatest service CW is doing to cricket lovers. I hope it is being used by many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Gregory View Post
    Hmmmm. Does this mean we need to re-evalute the ratings system? I put so much thought into developing it
    Not sure, but it make me smile so I vote we will leave it
    You know it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Gregory View Post
    Hmmmm. Does this mean we need to re-evalute the ratings system? I put so much thought into developing it
    I think you could modify that last sentence suitable to define the 5 star rating.


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    Made a CW influenced purchase today through Amazon. The Mystery Spinner: The Jack Iverson Story should be on my doorstep in less than a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightprowler10 View Post
    Made a CW influenced purchase today through Amazon. The Mystery Spinner: The Jack Iverson Story should be on my doorstep in less than a week.
    Very good read Lets us know what you think

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    I think it is possible to buy mostly good books with a bit of discretion.

    Of the 130 books reviewed on CW I have only 52. BUT - I have all five of the five-stars, all but 4 of the 21 four-and-a-half stars, and half of the 38 four stars.

    More importantly, I have just one of those rated less than 3 stars. That too is a gift from a dear Australian friend who keeps on sending me books on Bradman

    Cricket books are expensive, particularly when new, and there is a lot of very bad work along with some great stuff. If one is not taken in by the celebrity-value of the author or the attraction of the book title, one can make very good choices and spend money very wisely.

    The average rating of the 52 books of mine, which are rated on CW is over four and I have no doubt that if all the 500 or so books I have were rated here, the average would be higher.

    So my advise to people starting cricket libraries is - use your discretion and if you are not familiar with the good writers on the game - ask. CW reviews are a good place to pick up hints on what to buy. That I think is the greatest service CW is doing to cricket lovers. I hope it is being used by many.
    For once SJS I am inclined to disagree with you

    Were it that I were going to start collecting tomorrow I wouldn’t bother with ABE, Amazon or dealers or using any discretion – I’d get myself along to the next specialist collectors auction with a vehicle with a large carrying capacity – Auctioneers, understandably, always pick out the choice items from collections and sell them individually and just lump the “run of the mill” stuff together in large lots that go for very little – it needs to be stressed of course that what is “run of the mill” to a dealer/collector tends to be that because it’s sold well and is therefore common so these bulk lots will generally contain all the best cricket writing and as an added bonus because they will almost certainly have belonged to a real collector they will be in excellent condition – books bought this way can work out at less than a pound a volume

    Since I have started going to auctions any delight at securing a prized target is always tempered by frustration at the realisation that I should have started going years ago . Last time I went the auctioneer had split one collectors run of the mill stuff into around 15 lots and around 500 beautiful books went for about 300 pounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    For once SJS I am inclined to disagree with you

    Were it that I were going to start collecting tomorrow I wouldn’t bother with ABE, Amazon or dealers or using any discretion – I’d get myself along to the next specialist collectors auction with a vehicle with a large carrying capacity – Auctioneers, understandably, always pick out the choice items from collections and sell them individually and just lump the “run of the mill” stuff together in large lots that go for very little – it needs to be stressed of course that what is “run of the mill” to a dealer/collector tends to be that because it’s sold well and is therefore common so these bulk lots will generally contain all the best cricket writing and as an added bonus because they will almost certainly have belonged to a real collector they will be in excellent condition – books bought this way can work out at less than a pound a volume

    Since I have started going to auctions any delight at securing a prized target is always tempered by frustration at the realisation that I should have started going years ago . Last time I went the auctioneer had split one collectors run of the mill stuff into around 15 lots and around 500 beautiful books went for about 300 pounds
    How do you know when they will have cricket books? Or do you just go and hope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    For once SJS I am inclined to disagree with you

    Were it that I were going to start collecting tomorrow I wouldn’t bother with ABE, Amazon or dealers or using any discretion – I’d get myself along to the next specialist collectors auction with a vehicle with a large carrying capacity – Auctioneers, understandably, always pick out the choice items from collections and sell them individually and just lump the “run of the mill” stuff together in large lots that go for very little – it needs to be stressed of course that what is “run of the mill” to a dealer/collector tends to be that because it’s sold well and is therefore common so these bulk lots will generally contain all the best cricket writing and as an added bonus because they will almost certainly have belonged to a real collector they will be in excellent condition – books bought this way can work out at less than a pound a volume

    Since I have started going to auctions any delight at securing a prized target is always tempered by frustration at the realisation that I should have started going years ago . Last time I went the auctioneer had split one collectors run of the mill stuff into around 15 lots and around 500 beautiful books went for about 300 pounds
    Oh I would love to do that if I had such book shops (or auctioneers) within a thousand miles of my home !!

    I started my library (after the first hundred or so books that I had bought over time when I was younger) by going to Book Barn in Bristol. Imagine, going all the way from Bombay to England and over two days, went through their massive collection in an industrial warehouse, picked up 150 books and brought them to London from where I shipped them to India and came back

    If I was as lucky as you guys, as regards availability of cricket books here in India, I would have had as big a library as Archie's by now.
    Last edited by SJS; 23-08-2008 at 03:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    How do you know when they will have cricket books? Or do you just go and hope?
    Check the online catalogues

    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    Oh I would love to do that if I had such book shops (or auctioneers) within a thousand miles of my home !!

    I started my library (after the first hundred or so books that I had bought over time when I was younger) by going to Book Barn in Bristol. Imagine, going all the way from Bombay to England and over two days, went through their massive collection in an industrial warehouse, picked up 150 books and brought them to London from where I shipped them to India and came back

    If I was as lucky as you guys, as regards availability of cricket books here in India, I would have had as big a library as Archie's by now.
    Fair point SJS - I tend to be blinkered by my frustration at not being able to acquire a handful of not particularly costly books published on the sub-continent which I fondly assume (no doubt quite wrongly) are readily available from every purveyor of books in India - this means that I tend to overlook the enormous difficulties that must apply when you are based in India and want to acquire books published elsewhere - presumably there are no specialist cricket book dealers in India? - perhaps there is a business opportunity there - I am given to understand by a couple of UK dealers that their client bases in India are growing rapidly

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Check the online catalogues



    Fair point SJS - I tend to be blinkered by my frustration at not being able to acquire a handful of not particularly costly books published on the sub-continent which I fondly assume (no doubt quite wrongly) are readily available from every purveyor of books in India - this means that I tend to overlook the enormous difficulties that must apply when you are based in India and want to acquire books published elsewhere - presumably there are no specialist cricket book dealers in India? - perhaps there is a business opportunity there - I am given to understand by a couple of UK dealers that their client bases in India are growing rapidly
    Must not be for cricket books.

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    Apparently so - on the basis of what I am told certainly two full sets of Wisden have left these shore in the last 12 months for the subcontinent

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Very good read Lets us know what you think
    Will do, though ordered Pakistani Legends with it as well and am already reading two other books, so might be a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    I think it is possible to buy mostly good books with a bit of discretion.

    Of the 130 books reviewed on CW I have only 52. BUT - I have all five of the five-stars, all but 4 of the 21 four-and-a-half stars, and half of the 38 four stars.

    More importantly, I have just one of those rated less than 3 stars. That too is a gift from a dear Australian friend who keeps on sending me books on Bradman

    Cricket books are expensive, particularly when new, and there is a lot of very bad work along with some great stuff. If one is not taken in by the celebrity-value of the author or the attraction of the book title, one can make very good choices and spend money very wisely.

    SJS - merely expensive for Aussies and English, but impossibly expensive for those in India. I'll quote the prices from a mail received from Marine Sports over their most recent books - Glenn McGrath : Line & Length, HB, 428 pages, Rs 2120; One of a kind : Doug Walters Story, Pb, 331 pages, Rs. 1560 and a couple of such others. I don't know how many typical cricket followers could afford to spend such amounts for a single book. I usually set my cut-off at somewhere around 500 rupees.

    Would like your advice for those of us here and with lesser budgets - like where to look for second hand books and so on. The main problem that we have is that there are hardly any established second hand bookshops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapioca View Post
    SJS - merely expensive for Aussies and English, but impossibly expensive for those in India. I'll quote the prices from a mail received from Marine Sports over their most recent books - Glenn McGrath : Line & Length, HB, 428 pages, Rs 2120; One of a kind : Doug Walters Story, Pb, 331 pages, Rs. 1560 and a couple of such others. I don't know how many typical cricket followers could afford to spend such amounts for a single book. I usually set my cut-off at somewhere around 500 rupees.

    Would like your advice for those of us here and with lesser budgets - like where to look for second hand books and so on. The main problem that we have is that there are hardly any established second hand bookshops.
    I know that. I met the Marine Sports guy outside the stadium when England played India last in Bombay (they were selling their books at a stall) and told him their prices were ridiculous for second hand books.

    If you have any chance of going to UK, its your best opportunity. Some stores keep thousands of books, If you browse their site for cricket books and sort them in "Lowest Price First" you will be amazed at how many books are available for just one pound. You could actually start a library with every book from that category.

    The 150 books I bought from them cost me just over 600 pounds - thats well under your budget. Remember I did not look only for cheaper books. The problem is shipping cost, I put them in cartons to be shipped to India by surface. That really brings down the cost. Otherwise, the shipping would have been more than the book cost. If you buy fewer books than I did and are travelling lighter than I was, youi could bring them back as luggage. Its really cheap.

    For those who do not have an opportunity to travel outside, I would say, buy the cheaper books and look for stores that charge lower shipping. The shipping charges are extremely variable. For books I have bought on the net (and they are many) I have paid an average of 9 USD per book for shipping but that is because for some of the books the freight was as high as 20 USD. There are many who charge under 6-7 USD as freight. For books which are cheaper, it invariably means that there is lot of availability so you can spend some time and lok at those where freight is lower.

    Another thing that brings up cost is the binding of the book, the presence of a dust cover, the edition and the overall condition.

    I try to get a book in good condition and only hardcover if available (particularly if I know the book is good) but I would not pay too much extra for a dust cover and for me reprints are an absolutely God-sent blessing since they are much cheaper. Unfortunately for a lot of the classics, reprints are not available. I am fortunate that I can afford it so I have first editions of priceless works of Pycroft, Daft, Lucas, Frederic Gale etc. But I too couldn't afford them when I was younger



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