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    Gilchrist won't be moving over before the '07 World Cup. Nor should he. I was harsh on him when I was calling for his replacement earlier in the month He simply needs more rest.

    And Haddin as replacement full-time probably isn't the way Cricket Australia want to go anyway, in fact I know it isn't as they made it known that the next national keeper wouldn't be coming from the current stocks (that was 2 or 3 seasons ago), that's why all the youngens have been blooded: Ronchi, Crosthwaite, Hartley, etc.

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    Adam Gilchrist's reign as Australia's ODI opener is over:http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/t...553655677.html

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    They could play him as a specialist batsman. Is that an option ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj
    Adam Gilchrist's reign as Australia's ODI opener is over:http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/t...553655677.html
    If they're looking long-term, Clarke would be the best replacement MO. The limited opportunities he's had there he's looked the goods, with his only 2 tons being brought up in that position. He's a good finisher of the game, and burst upon the scene in India in 2003 often finishing off Australia's innings in style, but one thinks with Hussey there (and Gilly going to 7 apparently) that spot is filled and he can open.

    Obviously Martyn is an option (particularly with the way he's been batting lately) but how much longer is he going to be playing ODI cricket for? Considering Katich always seems one failure away from being dropped (poor bugger), if they are looking for a permanent replacement for the next few years Clarke would be my bet.
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    Personaly i don't think anything anyone does will help Gilchrist anymore,I may live to regret theese words,but Gilly is gone.

    His pattern of form has convinced me tht he'll never be anywhere near as good as he used to be.

    I've thought that he'd regained his form twice now in the past 3 months,after a terrible ashes series,he comes back strong against the world 11,i think he's back to his best but then he fails in the windies,so i'm confused,then he hits 80 against south africa and i think that he's defintely got it back,but now he's been dropped as an opener and i think he's lost it.

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    Jaques is the next opener in line - He and Martyn would be my picks at the moment - though Katich hasn't done much wrong either.
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    Maybe it's the combination of opening and keeping that needs to be reviewed. Batting him at 7 will relieve some pressure. They also need to get Jaques in the side to see how he'll go.

    Gilly doesn't need to retire from ODIs yet though he needs to find some form sooner or later.

    McGrath will keep going. He needs regular bowling to keep his body going. The ODIs give him the opportunity to keep moving.

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    I don't really like the idea of Clarke opening, he seems to be a bit unsure. I'd love to see Jaques in the team, but I'm not sure who they would drop. I think Gilchrist batting down the order is a good idea, as it enables him to come in, either one before or after Hussey and just hit out in the last 10.
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    not yet at least he should go up to the WC & then what happens form their happens...

    edit just read that article and I dunno if i agree with the decision to end his time as an opener i hope he adapts well to that position between now & world cup since he's been so succesful at the top for such a long time for me when he returns & doesn't look comfortable their i saw its best they drop him & make haddin the keeper.

    for me now the best long term options at the top would be Jaques/Clarke, Martyn should remain at 4 it will give the middle order stability & Hussey should remain where he is. So here is me remaped team for the WC

    Jaques
    Clarke
    Ponting
    Martyn
    Symonds
    Hussey
    Gilchrist/Haddin - subject to performances for gilly if not Haddin
    Watson
    Lee
    Gillespie/Bracken/Tait - any of these 3 could be here
    McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj
    Playing only one form of the game, has been really good for Matt Hayden's Test career. His improved performance has been enormously beneficial for the Test team, while his absence from the ODI team has not really harmed its cause. I think it could work out much the same if Gilchrist was dropped from the ODI team. Because, make no mistake, he will not retire from ODI cricket. He has a burning ambition to win three World Cups.

    But, with some good performances from Brad Haddin in the next few matches, the decision could well be taken out of Gilchrist's hands. Everything moves on, and I just don't think Gilchrist is the player that he was, and that any of Clarke, Martyn, Jacques or Haddin would be any less effective at the top of the order - while our Test team would certainly be more effective if Gilchrist was confined to that form of the game only.
    this makes a lot of sense howard i cant disagree here, especially with the aspect of how it will help the test side.

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    No Katich in your side Aussie?

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    WRT to Clarke...

    I was listening to an ex-first class cricketer be questioned about what he thought of him. He talked about how the batsmen who have been the stalwarts in the side over the past 10 years - the Haydens, Martyns, Blewetts, Langers, Elliotts, and others of that sort of period (getting to about 32 or so now) all had a very sound defence from a really early age, and built their game around that.

    Clarke seems to have all the strokes, and has based his game around that. It's often his defence that doesn't look the part in the international arena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox
    WRT to Clarke...

    I was listening to an ex-first class cricketer be questioned about what he thought of him. He talked about how the batsmen who have been the stalwarts in the side over the past 10 years - the Haydens, Martyns, Blewetts, Langers, Elliotts, and others of that sort of period (getting to about 32 or so now) all had a very sound defence from a really early age, and built their game around that.

    Clarke seems to have all the strokes, and has based his game around that. It's often his defence that doesn't look the part in the international arena.
    That's a great point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh
    Gilchrist won't be moving over before the '07 World Cup. Nor should he. I was harsh on him when I was calling for his replacement earlier in the month He simply needs more rest.

    And Haddin as replacement full-time probably isn't the way Cricket Australia want to go anyway, in fact I know it isn't as they made it known that the next national keeper wouldn't be coming from the current stocks (that was 2 or 3 seasons ago), that's why all the youngens have been blooded: Ronchi, Crosthwaite, Hartley, etc.
    how does he deserve a rest when he is not peforming well? Mcgrath earned his rest for the NZ tour, so should Gilly
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    not yet at least he should go up to the WC & then what happens form their happens...

    edit just read that article and I dunno if i agree with the decision to end his time as an opener i hope he adapts well to that position between now & world cup since he's been so succesful at the top for such a long time for me when he returns & doesn't look comfortable their i saw its best they drop him & make haddin the keeper.

    for me now the best long term options at the top would be Jaques/Clarke, Martyn should remain at 4 it will give the middle order stability & Hussey should remain where he is. So here is me remaped team for the WC

    Jaques
    Clarke
    Ponting
    Martyn
    Symonds
    Hussey
    Gilchrist/Haddin - subject to performances for gilly if not Haddin
    Watson
    Lee
    Gillespie/Bracken/Tait - any of these 3 could be here
    McGrath

    Warne or Hogg - super sub
    I assume your picking warne if his available though..

    Was funny on inside cricket when they were discussing Warne coming back to play ODI's and BJ is like hey guys what about brad hogg, his figures aren't to bad. But then Mark Waugh completely rejects him by saying "umm well i don't think you can compare the two"

    *whistles* well i found it funny..

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