What is a meaningless game ?

[SJS]

As I write this, India are 276 runs behind Pakistan with 10 1st innings wickets in hand. Theoretically there can still be a result in the match but that aside this match has no interest from a result perspective. Yet there are other things. To enumerate what comes immidiately to mind

1. Dravid and Sehwag 11 away from the wworlds highest opening partnership
2. Sehwag could get another triple century and join Bradman and Lara.
3. These two could score another 175 runs and have the highest partnership for any wicket ever.
4. Sehwag has an outside chance to go for Lara'a 400
5. India could score 600 for none or one or some such score and really grind Pakistan's confidence into the dust.

Should the umpires call it off because it has no possibilities of a result ?

Should this become a standard to be followed for future games (Remember Sri Lanka batting almost till the end of the last day in their first innings against India and scoring nearly a thousand runs) ?

Who should decide enough is enough and individual records dont matter once the match is "meaningless"?

What is meaningless ??

 

[Pratters]

I have said it in the India-Pakistan thread -

There was nothing ‘great’ in the batting effort of India or Pakistan in this test match. People were going gaga when Afridi and Akmal were making runs and some fans from India would be feeling the same currently. Memories of Chris Gayle’s knock and that India-Sri Lanka test match comes to mind.

In chess, when the opponents decide, a draw can be agreed upon. I think the same should hold good for test cricket. It is an option in the last hour of play. But why not in any period during the test match. Why have a dead rubber too after a series has been completed.

The Indian board was not able to accomodate a twenty20 charity match for Pakistan earthquake victims and proceeds of a limited overs match will go to them.

A twenty20 match or one dayer for charity would be much more interesting than cricket which has been played till now and that which will be played tomorrow.

 

[social]

India v Pak is supposedly the most important series in cricket.

However, in reality, the interest (obviously via tv as no-one shows up!) has nothing to do with the cricket and everything to do with political relations between 2 countries.

As for the potential of records being generated in this particular game - kudos to the players concerned but like the efforts of Lara, Hayden, Sobers, etc before them they are important from a statistical stand-point only. Realistically, none of the batting performances recorded in this match will feature in any discussion re 100 greatest test innings.

 

[Choora]

Who should decide enough is enough and individual records dont matter once the match is "meaningless"?

What is meaningless ??

I guess the fact that even after 4 days of batting by both sides, its hard to say as to which was the better side of the two, makes the whole exercise totally meaningless.

 

[Pratters]

India v Pak is supposedly the most important series in cricket.

However, in reality, the interest (obviously via tv as no-one shows up!) has nothing to do with the cricket and everything to do with political relations between 2 countries.

By your logic in the 90s Ashes had nothing to do with cricket and every thing to do with history of the past.

Players try hard in every match because their career is at stake but in India-Pakistan encouncters, they stretch their limits so to say. Winning a series versus the other nation is very big just like winning the Ashes is big for English/Australians.

 

[social]

By your logic in the 90s Ashes had nothing to do with cricket and every thing to do with history of the past.

Players try hard in every match because their career is at stake but in India-Pakistan encouncters, they stretch their limits so to say. Winning a series versus the other nation is very big just like winning the Ashes is big for English/Australians.

Ashes tests are generally played to full houses and record stellar tv ratings.

This series (so far) has been played to an abandoned house.

Irrespective of the tv ratings, it would be interesting to know how many viewers are actually awake during this snoozefest.

 

[Pratters]

Ashes tests are generally played to full houses and record stellar tv ratings.

This series (so far) has been played to an abandoned house.

Irrespective of the tv ratings, it would be interesting to know how many viewers are actually awake during this snoozefest.

Is this test representative of the cricket which has been played between the two countries in the past 10 years? Not really.

TV ratings as you mention it - are huge for India-Pakistan games. People usually dont like to go to the ground to watch tests in Pakistan. Do not think a lot about that aspect.

 

[C_C]

Ashes tests are generally played to full houses and record stellar tv ratings.

This series (so far) has been played to an abandoned house.

Irrespective of the tv ratings, it would be interesting to know how many viewers are actually awake during this snoozefest.

Even during the most boring and least watched IND-PAK match, the TV viewership is manyfolds that of full-capacity Ashes viewership in OZ and ENG.

 

[social]

Even during the most boring and least watched IND-PAK match, the TV viewership is manyfolds that of full-capacity Ashes viewership in OZ and ENG.

I repeat, how many are awake?

India v Pakistan tests (34 draws in 53) are to entertainment what Shane Warne is to being a model husband.

 

[C_C]

I repeat, how many are awake?

India v Pakistan tests (34 draws in 53) are to entertainment what Shane Warne is to being a model husband.

Go to the subcontinent and find out how many stay 'awake' for India-Pakistan encounters. Its more than the entire population of Australia in all likelyhood, nevermind the viewership population of OZ.
IND-PAK have produced some dull series in the past but in the last 30 years or so, there have been few cricket matches to match the entertainment factor of IND-PAK. Just the last visit to PAK is a shining example of that.

 

[social]

Go to the subcontinent and find out how many stay 'awake' for India-Pakistan encounters. Its more than the entire population of Australia in all likelyhood, nevermind the viewership population of OZ.
IND-PAK have produced some dull series in the past but in the last 30 years or so, there have been few cricket matches to match the entertainment factor of IND-PAK. Just the last visit to PAK is a shining example of that.

Sorry but the last series was an isolated example and a shock to all concerned given that India were the overwhelming favourites at the time.

BTW, if Pakistan are so important to India, then please explain why the BCCI has thrown there lot in with Aus and Eng.

 

[C_C]

Sorry but the last series was an isolated example and a shock to all concerned given that India were the overwhelming favourites at the time.

BTW, if Pakistan are so important to India, then please explain why the BCCI has thrown there lot in with Aus and Eng.

The series before (in PAK) was an isolated example too ?
What about 1998/99 ? isolated example ?
You seem to forget that IND-PAK played hardly any cricket in the 1990s, around when the matches started producing a lotta results. And despite your claims, it is laughable to suggest that the Ashes generate as much viewership as IND-PAK, given that IND-PAK population is more than 10 times that of ENG-AUS combined. You got no idea how popular any IND-PAK encounter is in India and Pakistan....the economy of the nations have been known to shut down just because of the matches.

As per BCCI 'supposedly' throwing in their lot with OZ/ENG, IND and PAK are gonna play a series every 2 years and a year-end ODI tourney. Hardly sounds like 'ignoring' the PCB.

 

[social]

The series before (in PAK) was an isolated example too ?
What about 1998/99 ? isolated example ?
You seem to forget that IND-PAK played hardly any cricket in the 1990s, around when the matches started producing a lotta results. And despite your claims, it is laughable to suggest that the Ashes generate as much viewership as IND-PAK, given that IND-PAK population is more than 10 times that of ENG-AUS combined. You got no idea how popular any IND-PAK encounter is in India and Pakistan....the economy of the nations have been known to shut down just because of the matches.

As per BCCI 'supposedly' throwing in their lot with OZ/ENG, IND and PAK are gonna play a series every 2 years and a year-end ODI tourney. Hardly sounds like 'ignoring' the PCB.

Your usual distortions.

I never disputed the ratings figures, only made a "tongue in cheek" (you'll understand that expression once you start interracting with the outside world) reference to the no. of people that could stay awake during the telecast.

As for the PCB, Aus plays every year. Hardly says much for Pak's drawing power, tv or not.

 

[SJS]

India appeal against light !

Now we know.

A meaningless game is one in which no further records are imminent

 

[C_C]

Your usual distortions.

I never disputed the ratings figures, only made a "tongue in cheek" (you'll understand that expression once you start interracting with the outside world) reference to the no. of people that could stay awake during the telecast.

As for the PCB, Aus plays every year. Hardly says much for Pak's drawing power, tv or not.

Umm...IND-PAK have already played for the third consecutive year this year ( this series, last series and the series in 2004).... thats getting overkill and therefore BCCI has toned it down a little.... with the future bi-annual plan and the last 3 years record, IND probably have played more matches against PAK than anyone else.

PS:As for your tongue-n-cheek, i suggest you quit lecturing me about the outside world and realise that i don't see the pathetic point of instigatory behaviour over the net, the sort you seem to indulge in. Perhaps if you had a satisfactory life you wouldn't feel the childish need to be a troll online.

PPS: What distortion(s) ? That there are more people watching kabaddi on tv in IND than prime-time ashes coverage in OZ ? have you any idea the population difference between the two nations ?
Or was it a distortion to say that 98-99 series, last year's series and 2004 were all extremely entertaining series ?

 

[Deja moo]

India appeal against light !

Now we know.

A meaningless game is one in which no further records are imminent

Can't blame them. I'd do the same.

 

[SJS]

Can't blame them. I'd do the same.

Oh yes. I agree. I was waiting for those 12 runs since morning

The point is was it meaniningless enough even BEFORE they went in for those two overs ?

 

[Beleg]

No, it wasn't.

 

[SJS]

No, it wasn't.

You will be surprised but you are the first one to state that unequivocally since I asked it in the thread opener

 

[ohtani's jacket]

As for the potential of records being generated in this particular game - kudos to the players concerned but like the efforts of Lara, Hayden, Sobers, etc before them they are important from a statistical stand-point only. Realistically, none of the batting performances recorded in this match will feature in any discussion re 100 greatest test innings.

Well, Lara's 375 was 10th in the Wisden 100 & Sobers 365* was tied for 33rd...