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    Greatest Ever West Indies XI

    There's a greatest ever South African XI so i deem it necessary to have one for the West Indies. My side goes like this:

    Greenidge
    Haynes
    Richards*
    Lara
    Headley
    Sobers
    Dujon+
    Gibbs
    Marshall
    Holding
    Ambrose
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    Conrad Hunte
    Viv Richards*
    George Headley
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    Brian Lara
    Gary Sobers
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    Malcolm Marshall
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    Curtley Ambrose
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    1. Roy Fredericks
    2. George Headley
    3. Viv Richards
    4. Everton Weekes
    5. Frank Worrell*
    6. Garry Sobers
    7. Jeff Dujon+
    8. Malcolm Marshall
    9. Michael Holding
    10. Curtly Ambrose
    11. Joel Garner

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    George Headley as an opener? That's a new one...
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    Okay. As advised by Dasa here is..

    (Sorry for repeating from the other thread but this is where it really belongs )

    MY WINDIES FIRST XI

    1. Hunte - (3245 @ 45.1)
    2. Greenidge - (7558 @ 44.72)
    3. Headley - (2190 @ 60.8)
    4. Richards - (8540 @ 50.2)
    5. Lara - (11204 @ 53.9)
    6. Sobers - (8032 @ 57.8)

    7. Walcott - (3798 @ 56.7)


    - 44500 PLUS RUNS
    - 51.8 batting average
    - 133 test centuries-1 every 4.1 test match

    The top six batsmen (minus keeper) are all brilliant fielders with 505 catches in 509 tests between them !

    8. Marshall - (376 @ 20.9)
    9. Roberts - (202 @ 25.6)
    10. Hall - (192 @ 26.4)
    11. Gibbs - (309 @ 29.1)


    Thats 1079 wickets at 25.1. Add Sobers' 235 to it and you have a staggering
    1314 at 26.7.

    and now...

    As a tribute to those I left out

    The Greatest 2nd XI ever - if you disagree, go face those fast bowlers

    1. Haynes - 7487 @ 42.3
    2. Worrell - 3860 @ 49.5
    3. Weekes - 4455 @ 58.6
    4. Kanhai - 6227 @ 47.5
    5. Richardson - 5949 @ 44.4
    6. Lloyd - 7515 @ 46.7


    7. Dujon - 3322 @ 31.9 AND 272 victims in 81 tests

    8. Garner - 259 @ 20.9
    9. Ambrose - 405 @ 21.0
    10 Holding - 249 @ 23.7
    11. Walsh - 519 @ 24.4


    Worrell is opening not to fit him in the side (he could bat anywhere he wanted) but Windies havent had too many great openers so why not get in Richardson one of the most under rated batsmen in cricket history.

    The average for top 7 is down from 51.8 to 45.1.
    Centuries from 133(1 per 4.1 tests) to 97 (1 per 5.9)

    The batting looks weaker than the first side (surprise surprise - try picking a third Windies side and you may have to include - ugh- Chanderpaul) but that bowling is something else. The four fast bowlers have between them

    1432 wickets at 22.7 each

    and a wicket every 54 deliveries

    Theoretically they would get you in 90 overs everytime for 227 runs. They could do with the second best batting line up
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    Best alltime WI XI :

    Desmond Haynes
    Roy Fredericks
    Viv Richards
    Brian Lara
    Clive Lloyd (capt)
    Gary Sobers
    Deryck Murray (wkt)
    Malcolm Marshall
    Curtley Ambrose
    Joel Garner
    Lance Gibbs.

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    Is this the same fellow who touted the Windies four-prong pace attack to be the most lethal in the history of the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy
    Is this the same fellow who touted the Windies four-prong pace attack to be the most lethal in the history of the game?
    Yep. I should've put Lance Gibbs/Joel Garner depending on the conditions and switched Holding around with Garner.

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    Greenidge
    Lara
    Headley
    Weekes
    Viv
    Sobers - Captain
    Walcott - WK
    Marshall
    Ambrose
    Holding
    Garner

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    Thats really interesting. We have had Worrell, Headley and now Lara suggested to open. I am surprised no one has yet mentioned Sobers who, I am sure would succeed at it as he did at everything he tried and Richards who was actually very succcessful on the four occasions he opened getting 2 fifties AND a century in just four innings !!

    But the point it raises is that Windies havent produced GIANTS of the same stature at the top of the order as they have in the middle hence this helps to serve two purposes.

    Here is the Windies middle order while trying its hand at opening :-

    PLAYER...Innings....Runs...Highest....Avg
    Richards.......4...........279.........101......69 .6
    Lara..............2...........111..........91..... .55.0
    Worrell..........6...........247.........191*....4 9.5
    Sobers..........8...........295.........125.....36 .9

    WOW. They had more openers than we thought. I vote for both Richards to open with Hunte and maybe even Hunte could be replaced

    PS : Walcott also tried his hand at opening but averaged only 8.7 in 3 innings so we will excuse him.

    Actually it is the same with Windies spinners. There are so many fast bowlers that every one is tempted to play NO spinner at all.

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    I've limited mine to players I've seen play rather than pick Headley, Walcott, Worrel, Weekes, Ramadin and Valentine etc either based on stats or reputation.

    1. Greenidge
    2. Haynes
    3. Richards
    4. Lara
    5. Lloyd
    6. Sobers
    7. Dujon
    8. Marshall
    9. Holding
    10. Ambrose
    11. Gibbs

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    If I had to choose from the ones I have seen it would be

    1. Hunte
    2. Greenidge
    3. Richards
    4. Kanhai
    5. Lara
    6. Sobers
    7. Dujon
    8. Marshall
    9. Roberts
    10. Hall
    11. Gibbs

    Reserves to make up the touring side
    1. Holding
    2. Garner/Ambrose
    3. Haynes
    4. Lloyd
    5. Derryk Murray

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    Headley
    Worrell (capt)
    Weekes
    Lara
    Sobers
    Richards
    Wolcott (wk)
    Constantine
    Ramadhin
    Marshall
    Ambrose

    I have seen them all play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesicus

    I have seen them all play.
    Oh how I envy you

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    Michael Manley, at the end of his A History of West Indies Cricket gives an al time West Indies side (perspective year 1988) , namely

    1. Greenidge
    2. Hunte
    3. Headley

    4. Worrell (capt)
    5. Richards
    6. Sobers

    7. Hendrick (keeper)
    8. Marshall
    9. Holding
    10. Garner
    11. Gibbs

    (The bolds are the ones where it corresponds to my first XI)

    - Understandably there is no Lara so Worrell is there. Fair enough
    - He prefers a pure keeper and picks Hendricks. Dujon was just halfway through his career having played 43 of his final 81 tests. He includes Dujon as reserve keeper though. No issues.
    - He prefers Holding and Garner to Hall and Roberts. but includes Hall and Roberts in his reserves to make a touring party.

    The reserves being
    - Roy Fredricks
    - Everton Weekes
    - Jeff Dujon
    - Wes Hall
    - Andy Roberts.
    - Valentine

    He also choses a world XI for them to play against
    1. Hobbs
    2. Gavaskar
    3. Bradman
    4. Headley
    5. Richards
    6. Sobers
    7. Oldfield
    8. Holding
    9. Lindwall
    10. Lillee
    11. O'Rielly

    12. Len Hutton
    13. Wally Hammond
    14. Keith Miller
    15. Godfrey Evans
    16. Freddie Trueman
    17. Clarrie Grimmett

    Remember post 1988 stars are not considered

    He restricts West Indians to four but includes all of them in the first eleven. Wonder what he would have done with Lara today ? Dropped Hammond I suppose

    High class side nevertheless.

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