One Day XI of the year 2005

[Tim]

I would pick Lee over Bond, but I think Bond would over-take him next year if he stays fit for awhile.

 

[adharcric]

Boring?? Whats wrong with a team of the year....true world XI's have been done to death on this forum. The 2005 side is something new

well yeah its new, but all you basically did is look at who had the highest averages (except for the blunder of gilchrist over dhoni) ... and you chose bond after he played against the zimbabwe crap and the struggling indian lineup, i just don't think it's as interesting as the other XIs that have been done where more thought needs to be put in, but that's cool ... you're right, we have had too many of those

 

[Zinzan]

well yeah its new, but all you basically did is look at who had the highest averages (except for the blunder of gilchrist over dhoni) ... and you chose bond after he played against the zimbabwe crap and the struggling indian lineup, i just don't think it's as interesting as the other XIs that have been done where more thought needs to be put in, but that's cool ... you're right, we have had too many of those

You should worry about your Own threads dude

 

[greg]

VETTORI- Batting ave 21 Batting SR 98 Bowling ave 27 ER 3.93

In what respects doesn't Lee trump this? Also bear in mind that picking two spinners as frontline bowlers is near suicidal under the ridiculous powerplay rules, on anything but the most spin friendly/seam unfriendly tracks.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Having seen the way he batted in the ODIs against us I'm a bit suprised Kamran Akmal is only averaging 33.47 with the bat this year. His keeping needs work, but his batting looked very strong to me.

 

[Zinzan]

In what respects doesn't Lee trump this? Also bear in mind that picking two spinners as frontline bowlers is near suicidal under the ridiculous powerplay rules, on anything but the most spin friendly/seam unfriendly tracks.

If i was going to drop a spinner to include LEE, it would be Murali , as he and Vettori have pretty even stats for bowling in 2005, but vettori is the superior batsmen and fielder

 

[Deja moo]

How did Lee do better in 2005 apart from the fact he played more games??

He sustained his form over more games, didnt he ? Okay, if you're taking consistency into consideration, Bond leaves Lee trailing in his dust, fair enough. But otherwise if there are two guys with the same figures, you would obviously go for the one who sustained it for more games.

PS: Get Dhoni in!!!

 

[Ming]

In what respects doesn't Lee trump this? Also bear in mind that picking two spinners as frontline bowlers is near suicidal under the ridiculous powerplay rules, on anything but the most spin friendly/seam unfriendly tracks.

Vettori doesn't need a turning pitch to be effective. And if you have watched him play lately, you would know. He relies on flight and change of pace, two assets would he has excelled at. He would be in any World XIs, fantastic bowler, and one of the best ODI bowlers present if not the best.

Styris is a very underrated player, in many ways superior to Symonds.

 

[greg]

If i was going to drop a spinner to include LEE, it would be Murali , as he and Vettori have pretty even stats for bowling in 2005, but vettori is the superior batsmen and fielder

Lee averages 39 with the bat and 19 with the ball?

 

[Zinzan]

in hindside i actually agree Dhoni should be keeper

 

[greg]

Vettori doesn't need a turning pitch to be effective. And if you have watched him play lately, you would know. He relies on flight and change of pace, two assets would he has excelled at. .

Slightly missing the point. How often does he bowl with two fielders outside the ring?

 

[Ming]

He compared his batting to Murali I think....

 

[Zinzan]

Lee averages 39 with the bat and 19 with the ball?

i could live with lee ahead of murali....especially on a seamers pitch ...not on a dry spinners wicket though

 

[Zinzan]

He compared his batting to Murali I think....

correct ....said their bowling was close but vettoris batting better

 

[Ming]

Slightly missing the point. How often does he bowl with two fielders outside the ring?

Not many times, no. But the main point you are missing, is that Vettori would be still be effective during the PP overs. In that side Zinzan has named, there would be enough players to occupy the PP overs, while Vettori would operate outside of them. His RPO is outstanding.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

because I think he's a better ODI bowler than Lee...as well as having better stats for the year...lee played against some crap teams too....bangledesh included

Yes... but he didn't take a significant chunk of his wickets for the year against Bangladesh, did he?

Fair enough you think Bond is a better bowler than Lee, but we're picking it based on performances this year. This year, Bond has had two wonderful games where he took more than half his wickets, and one good series. He has also had one poor series. His statistical record is marginally better than Lee's (slightly lower average, .07 lower in economy rate), but he only managed to perform in one series for the whole year. How on earth can you pick him then over a guy who has, for the entire year, been one of the best ODI bowlers around, and hasn't had a poor series, and has managed a very similar statistical record throughout?

And, for what it's worth, Lee took only four wickets this year against Bangladesh. He took 14 against New Zealand, 8 against England, 7 against the World XI, 8 against the West Indies and 8 against Pakistan.

 

[greg]

Not many times, no. But the main point you are missing, is that Vettori would be still be effective during the PP overs. In that side Zinzan has named, there would be enough players to occupy the PP overs, while Vettori would operate outside of them. His RPO is outstanding.

Whether it's Murali or Vettori who misses out doesn't matter. But on the stats Lee has to be above one of them.

The point about powerplays is not an anti-Vettori point, it's an anti-two (frontline) spinners point. Especially if you have a part-time fifth bowler.

 

[Ming]

What's Lee's RPO? I don't think it's lower than Dan's.

 

[Zinzan]

I could live with Lee a head of Murali provided its not a spinner track. That would strengthen the batting even more.

I did have Lee as SS originally...so I defiantely did write him off completely

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

What's Lee's RPO? I don't think it's lower than Dan's.

4.5 for the year, about the same as Bond's.

Lee bowls inside the first 15 and at the death though, like Bond again.