Wasim says ICC is run by whites

[C_C]

you seem to believe only the west can be racist, strangely.

But is it so strange that australia and england dominated cricket through the MCC and ICC. why should they apologize for this?

Given that these 2 nations played test cricket since the 1880´s (and in some ways for a while before that) and that it was almost the 1950´s before anyone else began to become established and competitive it would seem quite natural to me that england and australia would dominate then and for some time afterwards, just as its natural they now dont.

If sumo wrestling became a new british sporting passion, I would also find it normal that japan countinued to dominate the running of the sport while it developed in the uk.

I dont believe that only the west can be racist.
But historical evidence suggests that the west has had the largest % of racists in their population and still do quite easily ( the only legitimate competition comes from the gulf arab countries).
That is historically documented and easily verified.
And i can tell you too where that stems from - Christianity and the so-called 'curse of ham' and fundamental fear of the unknown. Do not try to debate this, for there is historical documentation available( which i can also reproduce) that shows official catholic/protestant/orthodox/orthodox jewish faiths arguing genetic superiority until very recenetly. And you will find that while religious violence has occured more frequently in the east than the west in the last century or so, the east has very little concept of racism and didnt have any concept of racism till the west showed up. Again, that is factually documented. The west is becomming civilized but its only been recent - last 50 years or so at most.
The rest of the world hasnt been doing much better, but it has taken care of bigotry a lot longer before the west has. You dont see the rest of the world perpetrating slavery to the scale of the west and that too, along a fundamental line of skin color and racial superiority. You dont see the rest of the world genociding the native americans in cold blood and a cold blooded genocider like Columbus being hailed as some sort of hero. You also dont see the rest of the world attempting to re-write history along their racial/regional agenda- apparently newton 'discovered' the laws of gravity ( when scientifically speaking, it is impossible to construct the lighthouse of alexandria or the gates of persia without understanding F=ma to its fundamental scientific level). You dont see the rest of the world adamantly claiming that columbus/vikings discovered the americas. You dont see the rest of the world marching across thousands of miles, arid deserts, mountains and all simply to wage a religious war. ( except for Arabia but the arabs and the west have far more in common historically and philosophically with each other than the rest of the world, owing to the catastrophe called Christianity/Islam/Judaism)
You dont see the rest of the world chanting about their superiority due to blahblah or actively tolerate racism like it does from fundamentalist Jews. You also dont see the rest of the world invading another nation, genociding/displacing its populace to create a nation because they hold this ludicrous notion that this is 'making things right'.

But understand one thing- depicting the truth, even when the truth is bitter, is not an attack directly upon you, unless you wish to uphold the concepts. Its understandable that many here hail from western backgrounds stretching back hundreds(if not thousands) of years and there is a fundamental bond you have that favours the west over the east- the eastern folks do too, which is why it irks many indians when sati practice is mentioned. But understand one more thing- your attachment to the west( or east) comes essentially from an illogical and unreasonable bond with your ancestral heritage, that is tied directly to your ego. Ie, people feel less receptive towards the crimes of their ancestors simply because they somehow feel that they are being belittled/attacked upon. That instinctive nature is easily solved by discarding the fundamental christian notion( and essentially a cultural notion that is still very deep entrenched in the west) of 'passing on the sins to your progeny' - it doesnt matter if your great great great grandfather ( or whatever) was a racist murdering scumbag. I come from a brahmin family and i dont think my ancestors in the 1600s or 1700s were paragons of virtue either- they probably belived in the superiority of the brahmins, the inferiority of the untouchables and burning of widowed women, given how prevalent that notion was in that era. It doesnt reflect upon me, unless i wish to attach any extra value on some scumbag 300 years ago who happens to be related to me. It doenst reflect upon you either about the scumbags from the past who happens to be your ancestors. Unless you want it to reflect upon you.

This is the fundamental cause of western angst towards the east - the west is guilty of far more attrocities than the east in the last 1000 years or so but western folks dont like hearing the truth and develop angst towards who propagate the truth.
Once you understand the basis of your emotional response, you can easily figure it out/fine tune it or eliminate it alltogether.

And once you can accept the fact that the west has done far more harm than good to humanity during its dominant phase over the globe, you can try and set things right. But what you dont admit, you dont set right.
Oh and one last thing - before you dismiss me for being 'anti jewish, anti west, racist,blahblahblah', consider the fact that i am part white and part jewish ( though in small parts).

 

[C_C]

Somehow Ive never had the feeling that Murali, Kumble, etc, etc will ever die wondering when it comes to appealing.

The Indians, in particular, are past masters of placing pressure on the umpires through incessant appealing.

And the Sri Lankans, under Ranatunga, were definitely one of the worst behaved sporting outfits that it has ever been my misfortune to witness. Ranatunga, in particular, played on the stereotype of his countrymen being "gentle, etc" to extricate himself from blame for controversy after controversy and was more than happy to play the race card whenever it suited. It's the reason why he was/is one of the most despised cricketers in recent memory.

Err nobody is worse at overappealing and putting pressure on the umpires than the Aussies.
Warne, McGrath etc. routinely scream and holler at the umpires but it is excused by the aussies as 'understandable outburst in the heat of the battle'.
Most cricketers from the past acknowledge this - Gavaskar, Holding, Viv, Ranatunga, Lloyd, Kapil, Imran Khan etc. have all mentioned so.
The australian team is known to dance at the very edge of decency - from the derogatory sledging that was introduced by the Aussies ( Hughes, McDermott and Boon) in the 80s- previous to that, the comments were mostly witty and humorous, not the 'eff you effing effer' stuff) to the 'underarm' incident, time wasting etc. all started essentially in the mid 80s when Aussies had to fight tooth and nail with almost every single side.
So i really dunno what you are complaining about. Either cut out ALL the crap or let all the crap flow. Not just hide behind steriotypes like Ranatunga ( and most aussie players) do.

 

[C_C]

If sumo wrestling became a new british sporting passion, I would also find it normal that japan countinued to dominate the running of the sport while it developed in the uk.

Indeed. But if the Japanese kept changing rules to keep the Japanese ahead of Britain, then it deserves to be criticised.
Besides, the current Yokozuna( and the only Yokozuna) in Japan is a Mongolian and his biggest challenger is a Bulgarian.

 

[Anil]

It's the reason why he was/is one of the most despised cricketers in recent memory.

maybe despised by australia or england but he is well-respected in the subcontinent and other cricket-playing countries...he was without doubt one of the finest batsmen and the best captain sri lanka ever had....

 

[SJS]

Wasim reminds me of the leftists in India who keep mouthing socialist slogans long after they have lost all significance just ecause it has become a habit

 

[C_C]

Wasim reminds me of the leftists in India who keep mouthing socialist slogans long after they have lost all significance just ecause it has become a habit

True, Wasim is indulging in hyperboles but you remind me of a capitalistic apologist who has no qualms of shafting the public and towing the corporate line for your own personal gain.

 

[social]

Err nobody is worse at overappealing and putting pressure on the umpires than the Aussies.
Warne, McGrath etc. routinely scream and holler at the umpires but it is excused by the aussies as 'understandable outburst in the heat of the battle'.
Most cricketers from the past acknowledge this - Gavaskar, Holding, Viv, Ranatunga, Lloyd, Kapil, Imran Khan etc. have all mentioned so.
The australian team is known to dance at the very edge of decency - from the derogatory sledging that was introduced by the Aussies ( Hughes, McDermott and Boon) in the 80s- previous to that, the comments were mostly witty and humorous, not the 'eff you effing effer' stuff) to the 'underarm' incident, time wasting etc. all started essentially in the mid 80s when Aussies had to fight tooth and nail with almost every single side.
So i really dunno what you are complaining about. Either cut out ALL the crap or let all the crap flow. Not just hide behind steriotypes like Ranatunga ( and most aussie players) do.

The only explanation Aussies give (and I term it "explanation" rather than "excuse") is that it is part of the game and, overall, they are no better or worse than the majority of nations.

I personally have been sledged in virtually every language used in the cricketing world.

And, btw, if your going to base statements on the claims of others, look first at the source.

Ranatunga - shocker

Viv - one of the worst sledgers ever. Took the game to new lows through his use of racist remarks (a claim backed up by no other than Michael Holding).

Imran - Ive played with the guy and can tell you that he was not adverse to the odd word himself (as well as being a total hypocrite in many other areas of his life

And if you think sledging was developed in the 80s think again. Aus took it to new lows in the 70s, Windies assumed the mantle thereafter before being replaced by virtually everybody.

Such a statement is akin to claiming that extra-marital affairs and alcohol abuse are the sole preserve of the modern sportsman.

 

[social]

I dont believe that only the west can be racist.
But historical evidence suggests that the west has had the largest % of racists in their population and still do quite easily ( the only legitimate competition comes from the gulf arab countries).
That is historically documented and easily verified.
And i can tell you too where that stems from - Christianity and the so-called 'curse of ham' and fundamental fear of the unknown. Do not try to debate this, for there is historical documentation available( which i can also reproduce) that shows official catholic/protestant/orthodox/orthodox jewish faiths arguing genetic superiority until very recenetly. And you will find that while religious violence has occured more frequently in the east than the west in the last century or so, the east has very little concept of racism and didnt have any concept of racism till the west showed up. Again, that is factually documented. The west is becomming civilized but its only been recent - last 50 years or so at most.
The rest of the world hasnt been doing much better, but it has taken care of bigotry a lot longer before the west has. You dont see the rest of the world perpetrating slavery to the scale of the west and that too, along a fundamental line of skin color and racial superiority. You dont see the rest of the world genociding the native americans in cold blood and a cold blooded genocider like Columbus being hailed as some sort of hero. You also dont see the rest of the world attempting to re-write history along their racial/regional agenda- apparently newton 'discovered' the laws of gravity ( when scientifically speaking, it is impossible to construct the lighthouse of alexandria or the gates of persia without understanding F=ma to its fundamental scientific level). You dont see the rest of the world adamantly claiming that columbus/vikings discovered the americas. You dont see the rest of the world marching across thousands of miles, arid deserts, mountains and all simply to wage a religious war. ( except for Arabia but the arabs and the west have far more in common historically and philosophically with each other than the rest of the world, owing to the catastrophe called Christianity/Islam/Judaism)
You dont see the rest of the world chanting about their superiority due to blahblah or actively tolerate racism like it does from fundamentalist Jews. You also dont see the rest of the world invading another nation, genociding/displacing its populace to create a nation because they hold this ludicrous notion that this is 'making things right'.

But understand one thing- depicting the truth, even when the truth is bitter, is not an attack directly upon you, unless you wish to uphold the concepts. Its understandable that many here hail from western backgrounds stretching back hundreds(if not thousands) of years and there is a fundamental bond you have that favours the west over the east- the eastern folks do too, which is why it irks many indians when sati practice is mentioned. But understand one more thing- your attachment to the west( or east) comes essentially from an illogical and unreasonable bond with your ancestral heritage, that is tied directly to your ego. Ie, people feel less receptive towards the crimes of their ancestors simply because they somehow feel that they are being belittled/attacked upon. That instinctive nature is easily solved by discarding the fundamental christian notion( and essentially a cultural notion that is still very deep entrenched in the west) of 'passing on the sins to your progeny' - it doesnt matter if your great great great grandfather ( or whatever) was a racist murdering scumbag. I come from a brahmin family and i dont think my ancestors in the 1600s or 1700s were paragons of virtue either- they probably belived in the superiority of the brahmins, the inferiority of the untouchables and burning of widowed women, given how prevalent that notion was in that era. It doesnt reflect upon me, unless i wish to attach any extra value on some scumbag 300 years ago who happens to be related to me. It doenst reflect upon you either about the scumbags from the past who happens to be your ancestors. Unless you want it to reflect upon you.

This is the fundamental cause of western angst towards the east - the west is guilty of far more attrocities than the east in the last 1000 years or so but western folks dont like hearing the truth and develop angst towards who propagate the truth.
Once you understand the basis of your emotional response, you can easily figure it out/fine tune it or eliminate it alltogether.

And once you can accept the fact that the west has done far more harm than good to humanity during its dominant phase over the globe, you can try and set things right. But what you dont admit, you dont set right.
Oh and one last thing - before you dismiss me for being 'anti jewish, anti west, racist,blahblahblah', consider the fact that i am part white and part jewish ( though in small parts).

You've obviously never been to Asia.

 

[C_C]

The only explanation Aussies give (and I term it "explanation" rather than "excuse") is that it is part of the game and, overall, they are no better or worse than the majority of nations.

I personally have been sledged in virtually every language used in the cricketing world.

And, btw, if your going to base statements on the claims of others, look first at the source.

Ranatunga - shocker

Viv - one of the worst sledgers ever. Took the game to new lows through his use of racist remarks (a claim backed up by no other than Michael Holding).

Imran - Ive played with the guy and can tell you that he was not adverse to the odd word himself (as well as being a total hypocrite in many other areas of his life

And if you think sledging was developed in the 80s think again. Aus took it to new lows in the 70s, Windies assumed the mantle thereafter before being replaced by virtually everybody.

Such a statement is akin to claiming that extra-marital affairs and alcohol abuse are the sole preserve of the modern sportsman.

Except that the Aussie self-prespective is much like smoothing over the roughs than depicting the reality- ie, a nice cover story.
The australian cricket culture has been for some decades now ( perhaps its the Bob Simpson/Ian Chappell effect) been at the very edge of decency- both legally(in context to the game) and conduct-wise.
It is something started by the Aussies- the derogatory sledging. And yes, openly abusive sledging stemmed from Hughes,McDermott and Boonie- before them, it was NOT at all common to hear one cricketer refer to another as 'eff you you effing mothereffing effer'.

I know for a fact that while Viv's sledging was quite caustic, it was nowhere as derogatory as the ones employed by the current aussie teams ( and if you claim to've played with or know people who've played with these sportsmen, realise that you need not be the only one here who has).
His sledges were typically devoid of swearing. Not this aussie team's ( or many other teams who've adopted the whole concept).
I didnt say that it was exclusively an aussie phenomenon but it is a phenomenon twisted by the aussie sportsmen( before Boonie/McDermott/Hughes, sledges were nowhere as offensive) and the 'ring leaders' of this whole nefarious business.

 

[C_C]

You've obviously never been to Asia.

I've spent more time in Asia than you probably have.
Grew up in 6 nations, have visited 19 other. Spread over Asia, Europe and Americas.
You may have some negligible experience with Asians but i would like to see someone backup your viewpoint with facts, not just simply wishful thinking and simply spending time in the western enclaves of shanghai or singapore- please tell me how much you understand of the various cultures, the reasoning(or sometimes the lack of it) behind their viewpoints and knowledge of their history.

If you want to tally the attrocities perpetrated by mankind in the last two thousand odd years, i would like you to show how the west isnt worse by a country mile and half compared to rest of the world put together.

A lot of the effects you see in Asia today are because of the western influence - for example, the cast system was nowhere as solidified before the British showed up ( and actively solidified it by sponsoring Kshatriyas and Brahmins over the rest and instilling a hardcore ideology of superiority based on skin color- something some indians still believe).
The extrimism in Arabia is largely the effect of the west- the hundreds of years of crusades that totally effed up the largely pacifistic cultures - check your history- before the cusades, arabia was essentially a buncha pacifistic people with a few fanatics running around hyperventilating. 400 years of having their homelands invaded and thousands(if not millions) butchered in the name of 'God', their entire culture took a radical tilt.

You dont see the east actively sponsoring terrorism in various other nations like the west and arab nations are.
So you can keep your wishful thinking, i will deal with facts, thank you very much.
Though i dont blame you - it takes a lot of courage to go against what one considers one's own.

 

[social]

Except that the Aussie self-prespective is much like smoothing over the roughs than depicting the reality- ie, a nice cover story.
The australian cricket culture has been for some decades now ( perhaps its the Bob Simpson/Ian Chappell effect) been at the very edge of decency- both legally(in context to the game) and conduct-wise.
It is something started by the Aussies- the derogatory sledging. And yes, openly abusive sledging stemmed from Hughes,McDermott and Boonie- before them, it was NOT at all common to hear one cricketer refer to another as 'eff you you effing mothereffing effer'.

I know for a fact that while Viv's sledging was quite caustic, it was nowhere as derogatory as the ones employed by the current aussie teams ( and if you claim to've played with or know people who've played with these sportsmen, realise that you need not be the only one here who has).
His sledges were typically devoid of swearing. Not this aussie team's ( or many other teams who've adopted the whole concept).
I didnt say that it was exclusively an aussie phenomenon but it is a phenomenon twisted by the aussie sportsmen( before Boonie/McDermott/Hughes, sledges were nowhere as offensive) and the 'ring leaders' of this whole nefarious business.

Sorry but youre wrong on all counts.

Sledging was substantially worse in the 70s than in the 80s and exponentially worse than it is today. The presence of more intrusive technology (additional cameras, stump microphones, etc), the will of both on- and off-field authorities to stamp it out, and the change in focus of the media have combined to dramatically reduce its' incidence.

And if its' your contention that Viv's racist sledging can be excused by the fact that it was largely devoid of swear words, then all I can say is that your values are more than slightly skewed.

 

[C_C]

Sorry but youre wrong on all counts.

Sledging was substantially worse in the 70s than in the 80s and exponentially worse than it is today. The presence of more intrusive technology (additional cameras, stump microphones, etc), the will of both on- and off-field authorities to stamp it out, and the change in focus of the media have combined to dramatically reduce its' incidence.

And if its' your contention that Viv's racist sledging can be excused by the fact that it was largely devoid of swear words, then all I can say is that your values are more than slightly skewed.

I think Viv's racist sledging was neither as venomous nor as filled with swear words as the ones by Hughes/McDermott/Booney.

And stump-mics didnt make it into the game until 89/90 by the very least ( i tihink it was 91 when stump mics made it into the game).
And without stump-mics, cameras are irrelevant to what the players are saying, unless you really think that the average person is an excellent lip-reader.
From all i've read and heard ( including from players of various nations), the australians are simply the worst sledgers in the game - you might want to disagree considering that you are australian and that would make sense.

 

[social]

I've spent more time in Asia than you probably have.
Grew up in 6 nations, have visited 19 other. Spread over Asia, Europe and Americas.
You may have some negligible experience with Asians but i would like to see someone backup your viewpoint with facts, not just simply wishful thinking and simply spending time in the western enclaves of shanghai or singapore- please tell me how much you understand of the various cultures, the reasoning(or sometimes the lack of it) behind their viewpoints and knowledge of their history.

If you want to tally the attrocities perpetrated by mankind in the last two thousand odd years, i would like you to show how the west isnt worse by a country mile and half compared to rest of the world put together.

A lot of the effects you see in Asia today are because of the western influence - for example, the cast system was nowhere as solidified before the British showed up ( and actively solidified it by sponsoring Kshatriyas and Brahmins over the rest and instilling a hardcore ideology of superiority based on skin color- something some indians still believe).
The extrimism in Arabia is largely the effect of the west- the hundreds of years of crusades that totally effed up the largely pacifistic cultures - check your history- before the cusades, arabia was essentially a buncha pacifistic people with a few fanatics running around hyperventilating. 400 years of having their homelands invaded and thousands(if not millions) butchered in the name of 'God', their entire culture took a radical tilt.

You dont see the east actively sponsoring terrorism in various other nations like the west and arab nations are.
So you can keep your wishful thinking, i will deal with facts, thank you very much.
Though i dont blame you - it takes a lot of courage to go against what one considers one's own.

Lived in Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong and Beijing over the course of 11 years.

Wife's father is Japanese.

Brother married to a Thai wife.

Business partners are from the UAE and Mongolia.

Think I know of what I speak.

 

[social]

I think Viv's racist sledging was neither as venomous nor as filled with swear words as the ones by Hughes/McDermott/Booney.

And stump-mics didnt make it into the game until 89/90 by the very least ( i tihink it was 91 when stump mics made it into the game).
And without stump-mics, cameras are irrelevant to what the players are saying, unless you really think that the average person is an excellent lip-reader.
From all i've read and heard ( including from players of various nations), the australians are simply the worst sledgers in the game - you might want to disagree considering that you are australian and that would make sense.

Stump mics came in with WSC and had to be turned off due to public complaints as to the amount of profanities being picked up.

 

[C_C]

Lived in Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong and Beijing over the course of 11 years.

Wife's father is Japanese.

Brother married to a Thai wife.

Business partners are from the UAE and Mongolia.

Think I know of what I speak.

Do you ?
Tell me about the Thai history. Or the Japanese history starting from the Jomon culture period.
Or the history of the land before and after the western occupation.
Tell me about what the Arab culture was like before the crusades were launched.
Tell me how many times have asians or africans ( or native americans) enslaved an entire race and transported them around the planet.
Tell me how many times have the rest of the world utterly genocided the native populations of the european-colonised nations such as the Americas/Australia.
Please do go on and tell me how they are 'all the same ol same ol' in the recent human history ( that is, last 2000 years).
You'd find that the notion 'the west has done nothing different or less than others' is one propagated by the west to soothe its collective concience- when infact, it is far far from the truth.

 

[R_D]

Lived in Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong and Beijing over the course of 11 years.

Wife's father is Japanese.

Brother married to a Thai wife.

Business partners are from the UAE and Mongolia.

Think I know of what I speak.

can we hear what you speak of ?

As for ICC.. although they say they are neutral but they haven't quite reached that point yet.
One instance i can never forget.. 2001- Dravid Vs SLater..... how did SLater ever get away without even getting a suspension.... can't remember whether he got fined or not but pretty sure he got away lighlty. After claiming he took a catch although the replay suggested otherwise.
The less we say about umpiring is better.

 

[social]

Do you ?
Tell me about the Thai history. Or the Japanese history starting from the Jomon culture period.
Or the history of the land before and after the western occupation.
Tell me about what the Arab culture was like before the crusades were launched.
Tell me how many times have asians or africans ( or native americans) enslaved an entire race and transported them around the planet.
Tell me how many times have the rest of the world utterly genocided the native populations of the european-colonised nations such as the Americas/Australia.
Please do go on and tell me how they are 'all the same ol same ol' in the recent human history ( that is, last 2000 years).
You'd find that the notion 'the west has done nothing different or less than others' is one propagated by the west to soothe its collective concience- when infact, it is far far from the truth.

Please explain how any of the above remotely relates to the wide-spread, i.e. virtually everyone does it, use of verbal and/or physical intimdation to assist in the winning of a cricket match?

Or maybe you'd care to share with us your theory of how the ICC's actions are nothing more than a modern-day version of British imperialism despite the fact that no country benefits to the overwhelming detriment of others?

In fact, I'll make it easier, and suggest that you analyse some of the ICC's recent decisions (e.g. granting of full-test status to Bangladesh and it's implication for World Cup allocation, throwing legislation, compulsory fixtures) and appointments (current and recent executive of ICC) and attempt to make a case for how they benefit the so-called "white" members to the detriment of others in any way, shape or form.

You want to talk cricket? Fine.

History of the world? Know it, not proud of some of it, couldnt care less about much of it.

 

[Tim]

Wasim may find it difficult to get commentary gigs after this out-burst. I think he's reacted without thinking it through very well.

You have to be so careful in the media when you make statements like these. People can quote you wrong, people will manipulate your comments, take you out of context etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if he releases a statement saying he was mis-interpreted or taken out of context in the near future.

 

[SJS]

Wasim may find it difficult to get commentary gigs after this out-burst. I think he's reacted without thinking it through very well.

You have to be so careful in the media when you make statements like these. People can quote you wrong, people will manipulate your comments, take you out of context etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if he releases a statement saying he was mis-interpreted or taken out of context in the near future.

He does it all the time.

I would like to ask him though that if it was run by 'gora's as he like to call 'whites' then how came dalmiya headed it and now a Pakistani heads it.

Malcolm Sparrow and his deputy are professional and I am not sure if an Indian professional applied for the job, all things being equal he wouldnt be considered for the job.

The Cricket Committee is chaired by Gavaskar.

The other important members are the nominees of the various assoiciated boards.

So what 'gora's is he talking about. And the headquarter is now shifted. MCC does not rule the roost.

Rhetoric and slogans come easily to indian politicians. I can understand Imran falling for it but Wasim ?

I think this is playing to his audience. Lots of sub-continent players denounce 'gora's as coaches and in the ICC to further their own cause. Indian and Pakistani coaching hopefuls, some of them legendry cricketers in their own rights head this list.

What are we cribbing about here?

Umpiring ?
Does he mean to say the umpires are doing the bidding of ICC ? Dont we have Indian. Pakistani, West Indian umpires on the panels ? Dont they officiate ?

Chukking ?
Yes, more sub-continent players get reported for chucking than anywhere else but cross your heat Wasim and say hasent the sub-continent become the nursery for chuckers ?

If ICC and its Technical Committee Chairman have to be faulted it is for making the rules too lax which has allowed some unimaginable bowling actions to continue. They have changed the face of the game and the definition of bowling to accomodate what was illegal delivery earlier.

If we are going to have bowlers in the sub continent who take it as a license to bowl whatever they want, why shouldnt they be hauled up.

Maybe there are those in australia who chuck too. I havent seen them but there may be but I am more worried about bowlers who chuck coming up in India and should be concerned about restricting that. same with Pakistan.

Lets sort out our own house.

To those who want to respond to this post by saying this is typical indian mentality of subservience to the whiteman, i can only say that if you are strong enough and have confidence in your abilities, you dont need to run down others to show that YOU have arrived. Nor do we need to put up with wrong doings at home to show solidarity with the 'former downtrodden'.

This 'unionisation' of the 'downtrodden'/'victims is the 'victim-phobia' that afflicts some of us and the sooner we got rid of that the better.

There will always be mistakes, there will always be rascism/discrimination of sorts and it will be all over the world. Somewhere by colour, somewhere by caste or religion. One type is not worse than the other.

Condemning it is fine but holier than thou attitude ruins the case for those sincerely fighting discrimination everywhere - at home or away.

Fight it surely but dont take refuge behind your colour and display your persecution complex.

 

[Anil]

Wasim reminds me of the leftists in India who keep mouthing socialist slogans long after they have lost all significance just ecause it has become a habit

they never had any significance...the rest of the world slowly but surely realized that, the morons(who deem themselves intellectuals) shut their eyes and ears firmly and continue shouting their inane slogans....