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    Dwayne Warne

    This is something I heard being talked about on the commentary before and I wanted to get your opinions on it.

    If Shane Warne was born "Dwayne Warne" in the West Indies would have he had such an amazing career, or would he have even played more than 1 test.

    The commentators believe that there is now way Warne would've had the same career had he been from the West Indies. The arguments they used were.
    1) in West Indies the use of leg spinners isn't encouraged.
    2) He returned figures of 1/150 in his first test inning.
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    In the West Indies with so many players tried he would have made it any way.

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    perhaps he woulda made it, but after his start in test cricket would've he been persisted with?

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    Poorer spinners have played a fair degree more than they could manage in other teams in the past 15 years for the Windies.

    Regarding whether he would be dropped after one poor performance - even if he was he would have made a come back within a short time as lesser talent has shown to come back and Warne would be persisted with in the long run.


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    What did he get in his second test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc
    What did he get in his second test?
    0/18 and 0/60 @ Adelaide vs India

    Then he got 0/107 in the 1st innings vs Sri Lanka then the 3/11...after those 3 tests, his average was an appalling 86.50!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    Poorer spinners have played a fair degree more than they could manage in other teams in the past 15 years for the Windies.

    Regarding whether he would be dropped after one poor performance - even if he was he would have made a come back within a short time as lesser talent has shown to come back and Warne would be persisted with in the long run.
    how can you be so sure??? how is talent measured over there?
    if he came back with an avg of 86 after the first three test matches would the selectors still be able to see the talent in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slats4ever
    how can you be so sure???
    if he came back with an avg of 86 after the first three test matches would the selectors still be able to see the talent in him.
    There are only that many players right. There are not a lot of FC teams like in India. And Windies haven given so many players chances and repeat chances after performances at FC level despite nothing to show of internationally.

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    but would they give a spinner so many chances considering the apparent attitude towards spinners in the carribean. maybe as a fast bowler he would've got chances but not as a spinner.

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    Nagamootoo played 5 tests - with at least 4 come backs as he never played consecutive tests. And his average in the end was 53.

    http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?s...ields=viewtype

    His FC average is around 28. Warne would average much better than that surely.

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    in Warnes autobiography it said the selecters were really desperate to develop and top spinner, thats why they persisted with him

    I doubt he would have even got a test because he wasn't setting the world on fire in fc before his test debut
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    Maybe Warne would not have got a chance as early in Windies. But he would have definitely come in one or two years and would have made his mark.

    It can be discussed regarding Warne had he been Shyam Warne - an Indian with more debate imo.

    Warne was a prodigious talent right from the start though. People were impressed/pleasantly shocked by this fat bloke who would just come and spin the ball so much in the nets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slats4ever
    but would they give a spinner so many chances considering the apparent attitude towards spinners in the carribean. maybe as a fast bowler he would've got chances but not as a spinner.
    Omari Banks has played 10 tests for an average of 48.82. After three tests, he averaged 74.71. His first class average is 37.99.

    He is still in the frame as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    Maybe Warne would not have got a chance as early in Windies. But he would have definitely come in one or two years and would have made his mark.

    It can be discussed regarding Warne had he been Shyam Warne - an Indian with more debate imo.

    Warne was a prodigious talent right from the start though. People were impressed/pleasantly shocked by this fat bloke who would just come and spin the ball so much in the nets.
    interesting if he was Shripadmakrishna Warne...him and murali in the same team
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyell_Chris
    in Warnes autobiography it said the selecters were really desperate to develop and top spinner, thats why they persisted with him

    I doubt he would have even got a test because he wasn't setting the world on fire in fc before his test debut
    Even now he still only averages 35 in the Sheffield Shield/Pura Cup.
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