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    Agartala is the place my mom was born in. I have gone there a few times in my childhood. Its the capital of a state but very small town with a small ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    I'll look forward to India playing in Scotland and Durham in September 2007. If India are going to blatantly ignore England and common sense then England should do whatever they like.
    I'd just give them a straw mat at the Bass ground, Burton on Trent for a couple of weeks and say "There you go".

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    It seems to me England aren't happy at flying the equivalent of London-Egypt a couple of days before the first test. Don't think i'd be all that happy to do that either

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    I actually understand England's gripe, if it is specifically to do with the flight order and schedule. If it has to do with where they are playing, that's not on. Every Indian city deserves to see cricket so long as their facilities are good enough.
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    England's itinerary, for those of us less familiar with Indian geography.. (took some research, this)

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    That is seriously unbelievable stuff.

    On a different note, Australia is also a big country. How do itineries work there and how much travel do teams do compared to India? (just to get an idea)

    A graphical represenation could be good as well if some one can do it.

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    Cheers, Neil.

    It's almost as though someone's taken a map of India and scribbled all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superkingdave
    It seems to me England aren't happy at flying the equivalent of London-Egypt a couple of days before the first test. Don't think i'd be all that happy to do that either
    I just dont get it..I mean how many versions we are going to hear ? I dont know how long it takes from London to Egypt ( I guess 4-5 hours) but please dont tell me that you want to go to a country as big as India and dont want to spend few hours in travel time.

    Actually that is the only travelling England team would be doing until the 2nd ODI because Ahmedabad, Nagpur & Mumbai, Goa all are in western part of the country and hadly 30-60 minutes by flight from one place to other.

    India is a much better place to travel (from western tourists perspective), Hotels are better ,even in smaller towns, most grounds have decent flight connections. I dont know why ECB is complaing so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup
    England's itinerary, for those of us less familiar with Indian geography.. (took some research, this)

    Good Stuff..but what is the point. Most Indians already know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superkingdave
    It seems to me England aren't happy at flying the equivalent of London-Egypt a couple of days before the first test. Don't think i'd be all that happy to do that either
    Do you mean Cairo or Alexandria or some other city?
    After you get that right, we can talk about distances and time of travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz
    Good Stuff..but what is the point. Most Indians already know it.
    I believe the point is that any idiot with a GCSE in logistics could come up with a far more logical sequence of games, and hence the routes between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    I actually understand England's gripe, if it is specifically to do with the flight order and schedule. If it has to do with where they are playing, that's not on. Every Indian city deserves to see cricket so long as their facilities are good enough.
    Apparently their problem is the latter.


    "John Carr and Richard Bevan, who met with BCCI officials on Thursday, were told that the Test and ODI venues were non negotiable - England are upset that only one major ground, Mumbai, the venue for the third Test, has been included in the itinerary. Carr and Bevan were told that the BCCI's policy of rotating the grounds was the reason.
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    Here's the link to the article: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indv...ry/226516.html.
    Last edited by viktor; 22-11-2005 at 01:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viktor
    Apparently their problem is the latter.


    "John Carr and Richard Bevan, who met with BCCI officials on Thursday, were told that the Test and ODI venues were non negotiable - England are upset that only one major ground, Mumbai, the venue for the third Test, has been included in the itinerary. Carr and Bevan were told that the BCCI's policy of rotating the grounds was the reason.
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    Here's the link to the article: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indv...ry/226516.html.
    The first part of the report also states that there is a serious beef about the warm-up games. I'm sure that if those had been scheduled with a little more consideration, then India would have got away with the test and ODI schedules without too much fuss (a few blusters from the Pimm's drinking set at Lord's, buit that's it).

    Instead, they went for broke and put together an itinerary where the warm-up games were half way to Thailand - a state of affairs that could be interpreted in a number of ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyeddie
    The first part of the report also states that there is a serious beef about the warm-up games. I'm sure that if those had been scheduled with a little more consideration, then India would have got away with the test and ODI schedules without too much fuss (a few blusters from the Pimm's drinking set at Lord's, buit that's it).

    Instead, they went for broke and put together an itinerary where the warm-up games were half way to Thailand - a state of affairs that could be interpreted in a number of ways.
    If you read an earlier article, http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indv...ry/226164.html,
    the part about the practice matches appears later:

    "To add to England's woes, two three-day practice matches ahead of the Test series were on Thursday allocated to Jamshedpur and Agartala, towns without luxury hotels. Jamshedpur, an industrial town in the eastern state of Jharkhand, hosted the last of its nine one-dayers against Pakistan in April. Agartala, in the country's northeast, has never hosted an international match."

    Ofcourse, this might just be the writer's way of, well..., writing, or it might reflect the actual feeling within the ECB.
    In any case, I don't think either of the arguments hold water.
    If it is about the flight schedule, yes it could have been scheduled better; the board should probably go ahead and hire that idiot with GSCE or whatever...
    However, let me also point out that the amount of travel involved is not that great, admittedly more time than getting to Lords from the Oval, but still, not too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyeddie
    I believe the point is that any idiot with a GCSE in logistics could come up with a far more logical sequence of games, and hence the routes between them.
    Once again a rather rubbish response but I cdidn't expect anything better based on that map. Btw Can you guess the maximum travel time betwen any two venue there ?

    There couldn't have been a better schedule for tests since I cant remember any other combination of 3 test grounds in India which require less travel than the current schedule. (okay there is one Kotla@Delhi-Mohali@Chandigard-Greenpark@Kanpur).

    In all honesty, I dont think it's about travelling time because today If BCCI are to offer Delhi instead of Nagpur, and Kolkata instead of Ahmedabad as test Venues..ECB will immidiately and happily accept it. Not to mention the fact any idiot will know which one has more travel time Delhi-Kolkata-Mumbai or Mumbai-Ahmedabad-Nagpur.
    Last edited by Sanz; 22-11-2005 at 03:46 PM.

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