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    World Cricketers who would make the current Australia Test side

    Obviously this is hypothetical, but IMO

    Tests........


    Definately.....

    Dravid - replace Clark at 4
    Lara - replace Katich at 5
    Flintoff - replace Watson as allrounder
    S Jones - replace Braken, tait as third seamer
    Murali -if 2nd spinner played to replace Mcgill


    Maybe .....

    Harmison - to replace Lee
    Strauss/Smith to replace Hayden

    To definately stay.....

    Langer
    Ponting
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Mcgrath

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    Agree 100%. Although Kallis might be able to find a place in the middle order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze
    Agree 100%. Although Kallis might be able to find a place in the middle order.
    Yeah there could be an argument for Kallis....although I still rate Ponting, Dravid and Lara higher - even though Lara did fail in the 1st test

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    i agree with all your swaps in the d category. However i think the players which are being replaced in the maybe category are much better than the alternatives...


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    Effectively you are asking to make a world XI

    Langer
    Sehwag
    Ponting
    Tendulkar
    Lara
    Flintoff
    Gilchrist
    Hoggard/Harmison
    Warne
    McGrath
    Murali

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12
    Obviously this is hypothetical, but IMO

    Tests........


    Definately.....

    Dravid - replace Clark at 4
    Lara - replace Katich at 5
    Flintoff - replace Watson as allrounder
    S Jones - replace Braken, tait as third seamer
    Murali -if 2nd spinner played to replace Mcgill


    Maybe .....

    Harmison - to replace Lee
    Strauss/Smith to replace Hayden

    To definately stay.....

    Langer
    Ponting
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Mcgrath
    With the openers, if anyone was to come in for Hayden, it'd be Sehwag.

    The only other thing I disagree with is that I'd have Kallis ahead of Lara. Kallis is the bloke I'd nominate to bat for my life. Whereas Ive gone off Lara a little. He just looks too vulnerable against the quicks. His head moves too much and he's never really in a set position, up against guys like McGrath etc.

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    Sehwag/Smith might replace Hayden but given the latter has just scored 3 consecutive centuries, I dont think so.

    Lara/Dravid/Kallis/Tendulkar would fight it out for 4 and 5.

    Flintoff would be in the team but as he is nowhere near Gilchrist as a batsman would have to bat 7.

    Murali is a must in any team.

    Another seamer is tough. Harmy doesnt take enough wickets, Hoggard is ordinary in most conditions, Pollock is on the decline, Ntini and Nel are OK, Jones has only had one good series but looks excellent, Bond is the most talented but just coming back from injury.

    Probably give it to Bond as he is by far the best new ball exponent.

    Hayden
    Langer
    Ponting
    Lara/Dravid/Kallis/Tendulkar
    Lara/Dravid/Kallis/Tendulkar
    Gilchrist
    Flintoff
    Warne
    Bond
    McGrath
    Murali
    Last edited by social; 08-11-2005 at 08:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    Effectively you are asking to make a world XI

    Langer
    Sehwag
    Ponting
    Tendulkar
    Lara
    Flintoff
    Gilchrist
    Hoggard/Harmison
    Warne
    McGrath
    Murali
    Looks like a longish tail, so i might be tempted to bring in Pollock for Harmison or Hoggard. If this team played a Windies side of the 70/80s plus a couple others players, it might make a bit of a difference having the extra batting down the order. Also i would have Jones in the side infront of Harmison or Hoggard if you went for the four best bowlers ATM.

    EDIT: After reading Social post, i think i would go for Bond too, even though his injury prone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    Effectively you are asking to make a world XI

    Langer
    Sehwag
    Ponting
    Tendulkar
    Lara
    Flintoff
    Gilchrist
    Hoggard/Harmison
    Warne
    McGrath
    Murali
    Correct it is essentially a world test xi

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    Quote Originally Posted by social
    Sehwag/Smith might replace Hayden but given the latter has just scored 3 consecutive centuries, I dont think so.

    Lara/Dravid/Kallis/Tendulkar would fight it out for 4 and 5.

    Flintoff would be in the team but as he is nowhere near Gilchrist as a batsman would have to bat 7.

    Murali is a must in any team.

    Another seamer is tough. Harmy doesnt take enough wickets, Hoggard is ordinary in most conditions, Pollock is on the decline, Ntini and Nel are OK, Jones has only had one good series but looks excellent, Bond is the most talented but just coming back from injury.

    Probably give it to Bond as he is by far the best new ball exponent.

    Hayden
    Langer
    Ponting
    Lara/Dravid/Kallis/Tendulkar
    Lara/Dravid/Kallis/Tendulkar
    Gilchrist
    Flintoff
    Warne
    Bond
    McGrath
    Murali
    IMO in tests, Dravid would take the number 3 spot from Ponting. I just can't see Dravid not being a 'definite' in any team in the world. Tendulkar since the start of 2003 would have to fight it out with Ponting, Lara and Kallis, and probably lose. Granted Hayden's scored 3 tons, but I still rate Sehwag the better opener so I'd have him replaced anyway. Harsh on Haydos though

    Sehwag
    Langer
    Dravid
    Lara
    Ponting
    Flintoff
    Gilchrist
    Pollock/Harmison/Bond (If its Bond bat Warne higher than him)
    Warne
    Murali
    McGrath
    Last edited by Jono; 08-11-2005 at 11:45 PM.
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    For me..

    Sehwag
    Langer
    Dravid
    Ponting
    Lara
    Flintoff
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    <insert pace bowler here>
    McGrath
    Muralitharan

    The second seamer position is anyone's really. The only other iffy decisions for me would be Sehwag vs Smith/Hayden and Kallis vs Lara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    For me..

    Sehwag
    Langer
    Dravid
    Ponting
    Lara
    Flintoff
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    <insert pace bowler here>
    McGrath
    Muralitharan

    The second seamer position is anyone's really. The only other iffy decisions for me would be Sehwag vs Smith/Hayden and Kallis vs Lara.
    hard to disagree with that line up Faai... Depending on how Bond goes in his return to test cricket he could be that pace bowler

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj
    With the openers, if anyone was to come in for Hayden, it'd be Sehwag.

    The only other thing I disagree with is that I'd have Kallis ahead of Lara. Kallis is the bloke I'd nominate to bat for my life. Whereas Ive gone off Lara a little. He just looks too vulnerable against the quicks. His head moves too much and he's never really in a set position, up against guys like McGrath etc.
    I love Kallis and his patience is immense, but I wouldn't exactly put my life on the line just yet considering his record against Australia. Maybe after this summer if he does well.

    If I had to pick someone to bat for my life, it'd be Dravid. If I had to pick someone to bat for my life IF they were already set, it'd be Lara.

    I don't get why people criticise Lara's technique. Why does one have to be orthodox to be reliable? If he can score 375, 400, 277 and 153* under the most pressure you'll probably ever see, I think his technique is fine. Though, he does seem to shuffle more than in previous years though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    I love Kallis and his patience is immense, but I wouldn't exactly put my life on the line just yet considering his record against Australia. Maybe after this summer if he does well.

    If I had to pick someone to bat for my life, it'd be Dravid. If I had to pick someone to bat for my life IF they were already set, it'd be Lara.

    I don't get why people criticise Lara's technique. Why does one have to be orthodox to be reliable? If he can score 375, 400, 277 and 153* under the most pressure you'll probably ever see, I think his technique is fine. Though, he does seem to shuffle more than in previous years though.
    I agree with all the above and I reckon once Lara gets in his technique isn't so important because his quick eye and quick hands take over.....not too mention his incredibly high batlift

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    IMO in tests, Dravid would take the number 3 spot from Ponting. I just can't see Dravid not being a 'definite' in any team in the world. Tendulkar since the start of 2003 would have to fight it out with Ponting, Lara and Kallis, and probably lose. Granted Hayden's scored 3 tons, but I still rate Sehwag the better opener so I'd have him replaced anyway. Harsh on Haydos though

    Sehwag
    Langer
    Dravid
    Lara
    Ponting
    Flintoff
    Gilchrist
    Pollock/Harmison/Bond (If its Bond bat Warne higher than him)
    Warne
    Murali
    McGrath
    Ponting and Dravid have very similar records, so its very harsh to replace the incumbent.

    Plus, my major criticism of Dravid (and Kallis) is that they are very one-paced batsmen. Sehwag and Langer could very well get you off to a flier but then Dravid would spend the next hour or 2 knocking the ball around and relying on the batsman at the other end to keep up the tempo.

    In a team like this, it probably wouldnt matter but, for mine, Ponting beats Dravid at no. 3 because of his versatility.
    Last edited by social; 09-11-2005 at 04:23 AM.

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