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    Does India's sucess signal the end of the road for Ganguly?

    Does India's run of success signal the end of the road for Ganguly?

    Since the 2003 WC, ganguly's average in ODI's is no worse than yuvraj /sehwag....
    yet these 2 seem a certainity in the squad while ganguly seems to be evryone's favourite whipping boy!!

    as of now the Squad looks something like this....

    1.Sehwag (?)
    2.Tendulkar
    3.Dravid
    4.Yuvraj(?)
    5.Kaif
    6.Rao/Raina
    7.Dhoni
    8.Pathan
    9.Yadav
    10.Agarkar
    11.Harbhajan

    players in Bold indicate sure selections/ guys with guaranteed places in the team!

    Does this indicate no room for Ganguly?

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    YUVRAJ'S Stats:

    Career Batting average :30.54
    Batting Average since 2003 WC : 31.70
    ( if his performances against Bangladesh n zimbabwe are taken away, this average drops to 27 )

    SEHWAG"S Stats:
    Career Batting average :32.00
    Batting Average since 2003 WC : 29.49

    GANGULY's Stats:
    Career Batting average :40.65
    Batting Average since 2003 WC : 30.50

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    Quote Originally Posted by foe
    Does India's run of success signal the end of the road for Ganguly?

    Since the 2003 WC, ganguly's average in ODI's is no worse than yuvraj /sehwag....
    yet these 2 seem a certainity in the squad while ganguly seems to be evryone's favourite whipping boy!!

    as of now the Squad looks something like this....

    1.Sehwag (?)
    2.Tendulkar
    3.Dravid
    4.Yuvraj(?)
    5.Kaif
    6.Rao/Raina
    7.Dhoni
    8.Pathan
    9.Yadav
    10.Agarkar
    11.Harbhajan

    players in Bold indicate sure selections/ guys with guaranteed places in the team!

    Does this indicate no room for Ganguly?
    Simply put. yes

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    [QUOTE=foe]
    players in Bold indicate sure selections/ guys with guaranteed places in the team![QUOTE]The great AA is also a sure selection for the ODIs.
    Last edited by Shoaib; 04-11-2005 at 03:25 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by foe
    Does India's run of success signal the end of the road for Ganguly?

    Since the 2003 WC, ganguly's average in ODI's is no worse than yuvraj /sehwag....
    yet these 2 seem a certainity in the squad while ganguly seems to be evryone's favourite whipping boy!!

    as of now the Squad looks something like this....

    1.Sehwag (?)
    2.Tendulkar
    3.Dravid
    4.Yuvraj(?)
    5.Kaif
    6.Rao/Raina
    7.Dhoni
    8.Pathan
    9.Yadav
    10.Agarkar
    11.Harbhajan

    players in Bold indicate sure selections/ guys with guaranteed places in the team!

    Does this indicate no room for Ganguly?
    First of all, taking stats since 2003 WC is looking too far back to justify selection for TODAY's team.

    So lets be realistic and look at 2005 stats. Here they are for the top Indian batsmen. I am giving figures after taking out the minnows.

    Here they are in the order of their batting averages.

    1. Dravid......45.5
    2. Kaif.........40.3
    3. Sehwag...35.8
    4. Tendulkar.35.2

    5. Ganguly...18.7
    6. Yuvraj.......18.2

    Clearly Ganguly and Yuvraj are in a category by themselves that is why Yuvraj is increasingly finding himself amongst the first whose place in the side is being questioned. Its not a question of bringing back Ganguly to replace Yuvraj but of dropping even Yuvraj to accomodate the youngsters banging loud and clear on the selector's doors.

    But there is a bit more of statistical mumbo jumbo to it. Just look at these figures.

    Indian top order batsmen in the order of their scoring rates (per hundred balls) in ODI's against Non-minnows in 2005

    1. Sehwag.......106.6
    2. Tendulkar......86.8
    3. Dravid...........78.5
    4. Kaif..............74.6
    5. Yuvraj...........74.5

    6. Ganguly........54.0

    Once again Ganguly and Yuvraj(his one time beloved young colleague) bring up the rear but there is a glaring difference.

    Ganguly is by himself with 20 runs separating him and fourth placed Yuvraj !.

    The difference between him and Sehwag, the other batsman you have equated with him erroneously, is 52.6 per 100 balls. That converts to a differnce of 158 runs per fifty over innings !!!!!!! So dont even talk of him and Sehwag in the same breath as of today.

    I havent checked but I would be surprised if it is not BY FAR the worst scoring rate amongst top order batsmen in the world in 2005 !!

    If everyone batted like Ganguly we would end up with 162 runs in fifty overs !!

    Add to that the HUGE difference between Yuvraj's and Ganguly's (so called) fielding !!!

    No sir, there are many very valid reasons for ganguly not being in the side or for Yuvraj being considered before him.
    Last edited by SJS; 04-11-2005 at 03:39 AM.

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    Yuvraj probably has the edge of Ganguly because of his brilliant fielding abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaka
    Yuvraj probably has the edge of Ganguly because of his brilliant fielding abilities.
    Add the stats given by me

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    Now add the runs he scored against the minnows in 2005. The batting average moves up smartly from
    18.7 to 20.9 !

    and the scoring rate climbs(?) from 54.04 to 54.71 !!!

    At least Yuvraj murders Minnows averaging over 100 at 84+ per 100 balls.

    Ganguly needs to improve that WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE bit more.

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    SJS pretty much said it all. Sehwag, whilst still not performing to the best of his abilities, is playing a lot better than Yuvraj and Ganguly this season. A lot better.
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    yeah, and even during the limited time both spend at the crease, Yuvi looks a lot more fluent than Sourav ever did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foe
    Does this indicate no room for Ganguly?
    YES, unless someone in the team fails consistently for next 3-6 months and Ganguly scores consistently well in domestic circuit (if he plays).

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani
    Yuvi looks a lot more fluent than Sourav ever did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz
    YES, unless someone in the team fails consistently for next 3-6 months and Ganguly scores consistently well in domestic circuit (if he plays).

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    The World Cup is still a long way away and in the one day team Ganguly still has real chance of returning some time in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanz
    He means whilst Ganguly has been in the crease this year, don't get carried away.

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