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    ICC Rankings

    There isnt any thread to discuss the rankings and the changes after they are published.

    The ranking changes after the super series has been announced.

    McGrath and Warne are officially no. 1 and 2 bowlers with Warne attaining the highest rating of his career since 1995.

    The player rankings:

    Batting

    1 Jacques Kallis ROW 894
    2 Brian Lara ROW 855
    2 Ricky Ponting AUS 855
    4 Rahul Dravid ROW 851
    5 Virender Sehwag ROW 835
    6 Matthew Hayden AUS 803
    7 Shivnarine Chanderpaul WI 789
    8 Marcus Trescothick ENG 778
    9 Inzamam-ul-Haq ROW 773
    10 Andrew Strauss ENG 760

    Bowling

    1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881
    2 Shane Warne AUS 874
    3 Muttiah Muralitharan ROW 871
    4 Andrew Flintoff ROW 793
    5 Shaun Pollock ROW 787
    6 Makhaya Ntini ROW 784
    7 Chaminda Vaas SL 770
    7 Shoaib Akhtar ROW 770
    9 Matthew Hoggard ENG 762
    10 Irfan Pathan IND 756

    All rounders

    1 Andrew Flintoff ROW 4987
    2 Jacques Kallis ROW 4961
    3 Shaun Pollock ROW 3140
    4 Sanath Jayasuriya SL 2935
    5 Daniel Vettori ROW 2788

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    Bowling

    1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881
    2 Shane Warne AUS 874
    3 Muttiah Muralitharan ROW 871
    4 Andrew Flintoff ROW 793
    5 Shaun Pollock ROW 787
    6 Makhaya Ntini ROW 784
    7 Chaminda Vaas SL 770
    8 Shoaib Akhtar ROW 770
    9 Matthew Hoggard ENG 762
    10 Irfan Pathan IND 756
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    Last edited by Shoaib; 18-10-2005 at 11:43 PM.

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    That's a bit stupid that some of those players are listed as playing for 'ROW' rather than their usual team, after a one-off match. Those ratings looks alright to me, although I'm not sure I'd have Pathan that high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    All rounders

    1 Andrew Flintoff ROW 4987
    2 Jacques Kallis ROW 4961
    3 Shaun Pollock ROW 3140
    4 Sanath Jayasuriya SL 2935
    5 Daniel Vettori ROW 2788
    Since when is Daniel Vettori an all rounder?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaib
    Since when is Daniel Vettori an all rounder?
    Probably since he scored a Test century against Pakistan. He's averaged over 41 with the bat since the start of 2003, so I don't see why he can't be considered an allrounder. Unless you're implying that he can't bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoaib
    Since when is Daniel Vettori an all rounder?
    It's all players - basically multiplys batting by bowling - an unfortunately flawed part of an otherwise usually fairly accurate system.

    As an example of the flaw, Flintoff is only now rated as number 1 all rounder, in spite of being so for a fair while.
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    Vettori's certainly an all-rounder these days. If you average 40+ over the last two years, you can be considered a batsman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    It's all players - basically multiplys batting by bowling - an unfortunately flawed part of an otherwise usually fairly accurate system.

    As an example of the flaw, Flintoff is only now rated as number 1 all rounder, in spite of being so for a fair while.
    Agreed the allrounders ratings are flawed.....but Vettori definately deserves to be in that category these days - unlike Jayasuria

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    Given the paucity of all-rounders in tests nowadays, if the ICC (I preferred the old PWC site, BTW) published, say, a top 20 instead of a top 5 I wonder who'd show up? Warney possibly? Ash Giles? Brett Lee? Maybe batters like Katich or Smith too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    There isnt any thread to discuss the rankings and the changes after they are published.

    The ranking changes after the super series has been announced.

    McGrath and Warne are officially no. 1 and 2 bowlers with Warne attaining the highest rating of his career since 1995.

    The player rankings:

    Batting

    1 Jacques Kallis ROW 894
    2 Brian Lara ROW 855
    2 Ricky Ponting AUS 855
    4 Rahul Dravid ROW 851
    5 Virender Sehwag ROW 835
    6 Matthew Hayden AUS 803
    7 Shivnarine Chanderpaul WI 789
    8 Marcus Trescothick ENG 778
    9 Inzamam-ul-Haq ROW 773
    10 Andrew Strauss ENG 760

    Bowling

    1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881
    2 Shane Warne AUS 874
    3 Muttiah Muralitharan ROW 871
    4 Andrew Flintoff ROW 793
    5 Shaun Pollock ROW 787
    6 Makhaya Ntini ROW 784
    7 Chaminda Vaas SL 770
    7 Shoaib Akhtar ROW 770
    9 Matthew Hoggard ENG 762
    10 Irfan Pathan IND 756

    All rounders

    1 Andrew Flintoff ROW 4987
    2 Jacques Kallis ROW 4961
    3 Shaun Pollock ROW 3140
    4 Sanath Jayasuriya SL 2935
    5 Daniel Vettori ROW 2788
    Hey are u kidding, What has Irfan done, apart from the tests against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, his bowling average is almost 46-47.
    He definitely does not deserve a place in the top 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramkumar_gr
    Hey are u kidding,
    I definitely havent devised the rankings!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    I definitely havent devised the rankings!
    May be you should have done that. Never mind. I was just referring to the flawed system
    ICC follows for Players ranking. Irfan Pathan, if you exclude the Zimbabwe and bangladesh
    series, is averaging in the high 40s and i really feel he does not deserve a place in the Indian Test team
    let alone the ICC top 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    Vettori's certainly an all-rounder these days. If you average 40+ over the last two years, you can be considered a batsman.
    but if you average nigh on 50 can you be a bowler
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramkumar_gr
    Hey are u kidding, What has Irfan done, apart from the tests against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, his bowling average is almost 46-47.
    He definitely does not deserve a place in the top 10.
    I agree, it's an absolute farce.
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    How McGrath is ahead of Warne I cant figure out!

    The guy just took 30+ wickets against the 2nd placed side on an away tour!

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