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Old 18-10-2005, 11:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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There isnt any thread to discuss the rankings and the changes after they are published.

The ranking changes after the super series has been announced.

McGrath and Warne are officially no. 1 and 2 bowlers with Warne attaining the highest rating of his career since 1995.

The player rankings:

Batting

1 Jacques Kallis ROW 894
2 Brian Lara ROW 855
2 Ricky Ponting AUS 855
4 Rahul Dravid ROW 851
5 Virender Sehwag ROW 835
6 Matthew Hayden AUS 803
7 Shivnarine Chanderpaul WI 789
8 Marcus Trescothick ENG 778
9 Inzamam-ul-Haq ROW 773
10 Andrew Strauss ENG 760

Bowling

1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881
2 Shane Warne AUS 874
3 Muttiah Muralitharan ROW 871
4 Andrew Flintoff ROW 793
5 Shaun Pollock ROW 787
6 Makhaya Ntini ROW 784
7 Chaminda Vaas SL 770
7 Shoaib Akhtar ROW 770
9 Matthew Hoggard ENG 762
10 Irfan Pathan IND 756

All rounders

1 Andrew Flintoff ROW 4987
2 Jacques Kallis ROW 4961
3 Shaun Pollock ROW 3140
4 Sanath Jayasuriya SL 2935
5 Daniel Vettori ROW 2788
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Old 18-10-2005, 11:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bowling

1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881
2 Shane Warne AUS 874
3 Muttiah Muralitharan ROW 871
4 Andrew Flintoff ROW 793
5 Shaun Pollock ROW 787
6 Makhaya Ntini ROW 784
7 Chaminda Vaas SL 770
8 Shoaib Akhtar ROW 770
9 Matthew Hoggard ENG 762
10 Irfan Pathan IND 756
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Old 18-10-2005, 11:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That's a bit stupid that some of those players are listed as playing for 'ROW' rather than their usual team, after a one-off match. Those ratings looks alright to me, although I'm not sure I'd have Pathan that high.
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Old 18-10-2005, 11:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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All rounders

1 Andrew Flintoff ROW 4987
2 Jacques Kallis ROW 4961
3 Shaun Pollock ROW 3140
4 Sanath Jayasuriya SL 2935
5 Daniel Vettori ROW 2788
Since when is Daniel Vettori an all rounder?
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Old 18-10-2005, 11:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Since when is Daniel Vettori an all rounder?
Probably since he scored a Test century against Pakistan. He's averaged over 41 with the bat since the start of 2003, so I don't see why he can't be considered an allrounder. Unless you're implying that he can't bowl.
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Old 19-10-2005, 01:06 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Since when is Daniel Vettori an all rounder?
It's all players - basically multiplys batting by bowling - an unfortunately flawed part of an otherwise usually fairly accurate system.

As an example of the flaw, Flintoff is only now rated as number 1 all rounder, in spite of being so for a fair while.
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Old 19-10-2005, 01:13 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Vettori's certainly an all-rounder these days. If you average 40+ over the last two years, you can be considered a batsman.
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Old 19-10-2005, 02:07 AM   #8 (permalink)
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It's all players - basically multiplys batting by bowling - an unfortunately flawed part of an otherwise usually fairly accurate system.

As an example of the flaw, Flintoff is only now rated as number 1 all rounder, in spite of being so for a fair while.
Agreed the allrounders ratings are flawed.....but Vettori definately deserves to be in that category these days - unlike Jayasuria
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Old 19-10-2005, 02:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Given the paucity of all-rounders in tests nowadays, if the ICC (I preferred the old PWC site, BTW) published, say, a top 20 instead of a top 5 I wonder who'd show up? Warney possibly? Ash Giles? Brett Lee? Maybe batters like Katich or Smith too.
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Old 19-10-2005, 02:38 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Pratyush
There isnt any thread to discuss the rankings and the changes after they are published.

The ranking changes after the super series has been announced.

McGrath and Warne are officially no. 1 and 2 bowlers with Warne attaining the highest rating of his career since 1995.

The player rankings:

Batting

1 Jacques Kallis ROW 894
2 Brian Lara ROW 855
2 Ricky Ponting AUS 855
4 Rahul Dravid ROW 851
5 Virender Sehwag ROW 835
6 Matthew Hayden AUS 803
7 Shivnarine Chanderpaul WI 789
8 Marcus Trescothick ENG 778
9 Inzamam-ul-Haq ROW 773
10 Andrew Strauss ENG 760

Bowling

1 Glenn McGrath AUS 881
2 Shane Warne AUS 874
3 Muttiah Muralitharan ROW 871
4 Andrew Flintoff ROW 793
5 Shaun Pollock ROW 787
6 Makhaya Ntini ROW 784
7 Chaminda Vaas SL 770
7 Shoaib Akhtar ROW 770
9 Matthew Hoggard ENG 762
10 Irfan Pathan IND 756

All rounders

1 Andrew Flintoff ROW 4987
2 Jacques Kallis ROW 4961
3 Shaun Pollock ROW 3140
4 Sanath Jayasuriya SL 2935
5 Daniel Vettori ROW 2788
Hey are u kidding, What has Irfan done, apart from the tests against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, his bowling average is almost 46-47.
He definitely does not deserve a place in the top 10.
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Old 19-10-2005, 02:55 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Hey are u kidding,
I definitely havent devised the rankings!
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Old 19-10-2005, 03:08 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I definitely havent devised the rankings!
May be you should have done that. Never mind. I was just referring to the flawed system
ICC follows for Players ranking. Irfan Pathan, if you exclude the Zimbabwe and bangladesh
series, is averaging in the high 40s and i really feel he does not deserve a place in the Indian Test team
let alone the ICC top 10
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Vettori's certainly an all-rounder these days. If you average 40+ over the last two years, you can be considered a batsman.
but if you average nigh on 50 can you be a bowler
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Hey are u kidding, What has Irfan done, apart from the tests against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, his bowling average is almost 46-47.
He definitely does not deserve a place in the top 10.
I agree, it's an absolute farce.
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Old 19-10-2005, 05:11 PM   #15 (permalink)
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How McGrath is ahead of Warne I cant figure out!

The guy just took 30+ wickets against the 2nd placed side on an away tour!
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