Your Retrospect Rest of World ODI Squad

[Loony BoB]

If you could go back in time knowing the results that would come from the squad used in the Super Series (ODI, at least), how would you adjust the squad to see if you could get a better result? No longer would you be selecting purely on form/class/etc.

So, who would be in your "retrospect" side? Keeping in mind Gibbs and Tendulkar would be ineligible due to injury... who would you keep? Who do you feel didn't perform well enough? Who would you replace them with in order to, hopefully, get a better result?

Graeme Smith
Chris Gayle
Virender Sehwag
Kumar Sangakarra+
Stephen Fleming*
Inzamam Ul-Haq
Yousuf Youhana
Ramnaresh Sarwan
Andrew Flintoff
Chaminda Vaas
Daniel Vettori
Shane Bond
Steve Harmison
Muttiah Muralitharan

God knows if it'd do any better than the guys chosen did, but hey, it'd be interesting enough. Still don't know exactly why Smith wasn't in the ODI squad, but oh well.

 

[aussie]

I would have everyone thier except Sarwan & Harmy i would have still picked Dravid & Pollock at least.....

 

[Barney Rubble]

I still think it's absolutely criminal that Marcus Trescothick has been completely overlooked. He seems to be the only opener in the world that you would place in the same category as Sehwag, Jayasuriya etc in terms of destructive capabilities, but who is also capable of playing the anchor role just as effectively. A fantastic player who gets no credit whatsoever, despite being head and shoulders above most in his position for the last two years.

 

[chaminda_00]

Hamish Marshall would be the first guy i would pick, they really needed a specialist point/cover fielder and his a top bat to boot

 

[Pratters]

Shane Bond

Easily even without the retrospect factor.

 

[Richard]

I still think it's absolutely criminal that Marcus Trescothick has been completely overlooked. He seems to be the only opener in the world that you would place in the same category as Sehwag, Jayasuriya etc in terms of destructive capabilities, but who is also capable of playing the anchor role just as effectively. A fantastic player who gets no credit whatsoever, despite being head and shoulders above most in his position for the last two years.

It's utterly stupid that Sehwag was picked ahead of Gayle and Trescothick.
A typical example of Test-matches being muddled into the equation because both are quite hugely superior to Sehwag in ODIs, as we see.

 

[Richard]

If you could go back in time knowing the results that would come from the squad used in the Super Series (ODI, at least), how would you adjust the squad to see if you could get a better result? No longer would you be selecting purely on form/class/etc.

So, who would be in your "retrospect" side? Keeping in mind Gibbs and Tendulkar would be ineligible due to injury... who would you keep? Who do you feel didn't perform well enough? Who would you replace them with in order to, hopefully, get a better result?

Graeme Smith
Chris Gayle
Virender Sehwag
Kumar Sangakarra+
Stephen Fleming*
Inzamam Ul-Haq
Yousuf Youhana
Ramnaresh Sarwan
Andrew Flintoff
Chaminda Vaas
Daniel Vettori
Shane Bond
Steve Harmison
Muttiah Muralitharan

God knows if it'd do any better than the guys chosen did, but hey, it'd be interesting enough. Still don't know exactly why Smith wasn't in the ODI squad, but oh well.

I find it near inconceivable that, had Bond been fit when the squads were picked (how stupid was it, eh, that they were picked 4 months before the event?), he'd have been straight in.
Vaas' exclusion was obviously based on lack of box-office appeal and hence was justified because the event was about box-office and not building the best team.
Fact is, Sehwag wasn't remotely justified for a place.
If Tendulkar had been present it might, of course, have made a difference.
I reckon I'd have gone something like:
Gayle
Trescothick
Kallis
Tendulkar
Sangakkara
Dravid
Pietersen
Flintoff
Pollock
Bond
Muralitharan
And had SRT been unavailable I'd have picked Inzamam-Ul-Haq.

 

[Loony BoB]

I didn't overlook Tresco entirely, it was more so that I ran out of opener positions. I chose Gayle to be a keeper for his added option of effectively slowing down the pace of a game as well as his opening ability. Smith I put ahead of all the other openers and again don't know why he was overlooked at all for ODI's, given he has an average in the 60's against Australia in that form of the game. Sehwag I suppose I could have dropped for Tresco, but his recent scores against Australia in ODI's of 16, 6, 11* and 6 in the NatWest series meant he didn't appeal to me when it comes to ODI form. Sehwag is purely lucky in that he hasn't faced Aussie too recently so I can't judge him in a similar manner. Personally, I'd rather Gibbs and Smith to top the order, but Gibbs is obviously injured.

I don't think Tresco gets "no credit whatsoever" - he is in the top ten ODI batsmen going by the ICC player rankings.

 

[Loony BoB]

I find it near inconceivable that, had Bond been fit when the squads were picked (how stupid was it, eh, that they were picked 4 months before the event?), he'd have been straight in.
Vaas' exclusion was obviously based on lack of box-office appeal and hence was justified because the event was about box-office and not building the best team.
Fact is, Sehwag wasn't remotely justified for a place.
If Tendulkar had been present it might, of course, have made a difference.
I reckon I'd have gone something like:
Gayle
Trescothick
Kallis
Tendulkar
Sangakkara
Dravid
Pietersen
Flintoff
Pollock
Bond
Muralitharan
And had SRT been unavailable I'd have picked Inzamam-Ul-Haq.

Is this still the squad you'd have chosen had you known the performances that they would give (eg. Kallis, Dravid, Pietersen, Pollock)? Or do you think they would have performed better with different players?

EDIT: Also, a lack of Vettori - why drop the best ROWXI bowler of the ODI series? "Lack of box office draw"? For clarification -I'm not talking about box office, I'm talking about picking the best players for the job, here. Although you do only have eleven players rather than the 12 needed for a side or 14 needed for a squad, to be fair, so you can still throw a few more names in there. Also, should I assume you'll be bowling Gayle 10 overs, or will Kallis and Gayle share some? You only have four obvious bowlers.

 

[Pothas]

I still think it's absolutely criminal that Marcus Trescothick has been completely overlooked. He seems to be the only opener in the world that you would place in the same category as Sehwag, Jayasuriya etc in terms of destructive capabilities, but who is also capable of playing the anchor role just as effectively. A fantastic player who gets no credit whatsoever, despite being head and shoulders above most in his position for the last two years.

100% agree

 

[sledger]

trescothick should indeed be in the side, but as richard says sehwags selection in the ODI side isnt really justified as his record in one day games are pretty poor , certainly im comparison to his performances in the longer form of the game. Trescothick should have indeed opened with jayasuriya imo.

 

[marc71178]

Vaas' exclusion was obviously based on lack of box-office appeal and hence was justified because the event was about box-office and not building the best team.

Or more likely because he's not one of the best bowlers around.

 

[marc71178]

Also, should I assume you'll be bowling Gayle 10 overs, or will Kallis and Gayle share some? You only have four obvious bowlers.

In ODI, Gayle is an obvious 10 over man.

 

[Loony BoB]

Or more likely because he's not one of the best bowlers around.

Playing away from Sri Lanka over the past two years, he averages 18.12 at an eco of 3.92. How is that not one of the best? He's certainly ranked first in the world outside Australia right now. To say he's not one of the best around is a pretty bold statement.

EDIT: And his average against Aussie over the past two years is 20.85, eco 4.56, S/R 27.4. I'm really unsure as to how he doesn't make your grade, marc.

 

[age_master]

Hamish Marshall would be the first guy i would pick, they really needed a specialist point/cover fielder and his a top bat to boot

i would pick Collingwood over him for a game vs Australia

 

[Loony BoB]

Aye, while Marshall may well have made a great start to his career, he's well out of form and I don't think his fielding matches Collingwood's.

 

[age_master]

Jayasuria
Gayle
Sangakkara
Inzamam
Sarwan
Pieterson
Collingwood
Flintofff
Murali
Harmison
Vaas
Vettori
Bond

 

[PY]

Yousuf Youhana

Point of interest, Yousef Youhana no longer exists as a player, he's converted to Islam from Christianity and I think he's now referring to himself as Mohammad Yousef.

 

[Tim]

Marshall has struggled a bit recently..but he tends to play his best against the better teams so yeah I guess so.

 

[Loony BoB]

Point of interest, Yousef Youhana no longer exists as a player, he's converted to Islam from Christianity and I think he's now referring to himself as Mohammad Yousef.

You're absolutely right, he's Mohammed Youhana Yousuf according to Cricinfo, if my memory serves correctly.