an old subject but

whitedazzler · 25-09-2005, 04:55 AM

who are the ideal openers and team for nz in test and odis?

ODIS

fleming
astle
marshall
styris
cairns
mcmillan
oram
mccullum
vettori
mills
bond

supersub

harris

tests

papps
fleming
marshall
styris
astle
oram
mccullum
vettori
franklin
bond
martin

any1 got any thoughts please let me no

Prince EWS · 25-09-2005, 05:04 AM

ODIs - Fleming and Astle.

Tests - Cumming and Hamish Marshall.

I think Hamish's technique would make him quite a good opener. Good back foot player and solid defence. Fleming would make a decent opener as well, but he has basically put his foot down now, demanding he play in the middle oder. Cumming has a few faults, but he has a dig and would just mind the spot while How, Ryder etc develop further.

whitedazzler · 25-09-2005, 05:07 AM

yea i wud luv 2 c players like jesse ryder and ross taylor get in2 the fold i also think luke woodcock has a lot of potiental 2 b the nxt jimmy adams

thierry henry · 25-09-2005, 05:18 AM

I agree that James Marshall shouldn't be there. Unlike Hamish, James has a bad FC record cos he just isn't really that good, imo.

I also don't really agree with Fleming opening. I do think Papps deserves another go but beyond that I'm stumped. Papps and Cumming perhaps? However, that's really taking up 2 spots for 2 quite mediocre players, and leaving better bats out.

Also, I don't realistically see Lou Vincent missing out, coming off his recent double hundred and huge innings in the one-dayers v Zimbabwe. As much as I can't stand him.

tooextracool · 25-09-2005, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitedazzler

who are the ideal openers and team for nz in test and odis?

ODIS

fleming
astle
marshall
styris
cairns
mcmillan
oram
mccullum
vettori
mills
bond

is there any particular reason why papps shouldnt be in the ODI side given that his record in ODIs is more impressive than tests?
ideally i'd like fleming to bat at 4 in tests and have papps open the batting in test matches as well.

Blaze · 25-09-2005, 03:13 PM

^ Papps will never play ODI's again for NZ.

whitedazzler · 25-09-2005, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaze

^ Papps will never play ODI's again for NZ.

wats wrong wit papps odi record? hes stable and he scores runs?

Lyell_Chris · 25-09-2005, 03:27 PM

papps is missing out because of another bracewell special

Zinzan · 26-09-2005, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooextracool

is there any particular reason why papps shouldnt be in the ODI side given that his record in ODIs is more impressive than tests?
ideally i'd like fleming to bat at 4 in tests and have papps open the batting in test matches as well.

I wouldn't read too much into his oneday record....he's only played a handful of games

Zinzan · 26-09-2005, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

ODIs - Fleming and Astle.

Tests - Cumming and Hamish Marshall.

I think Hamish's technique would make him quite a good opener. Good back foot player and solid defence. Fleming would make a decent opener as well, but he has basically put his foot down now, demanding he play in the middle oder. Cumming has a few faults, but he has a dig and would just mind the spot while How, Ryder etc develop further.

Please not Cumming !!!

sledger · 26-09-2005, 03:44 AM

papps is much better than cumming imo, suprised he isnt in the team ahead of him.

whitedazzler · 27-09-2005, 12:23 AM

rnt we all i think the selectors r protecting him since that brett lee ball and due 2 his height or lack off

25-09-2005, 04:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
whitedazzler School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 168	an old subject but who are the ideal openers and team for nz in test and odis? ODIS fleming astle marshall styris cairns mcmillan oram mccullum vettori mills bond supersub harris tests papps fleming marshall styris astle oram mccullum vettori franklin bond martin any1 got any thoughts please let me no

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Prince EWS Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New South Wales Posts: 37,760	ODIs - Fleming and Astle. Tests - Cumming and Hamish Marshall. I think Hamish's technique would make him quite a good opener. Good back foot player and solid defence. Fleming would make a decent opener as well, but he has basically put his foot down now, demanding he play in the middle oder. Cumming has a few faults, but he has a dig and would just mind the spot while How, Ryder etc develop further. __________________ ~ Cribbage

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whitedazzler School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 168	yea i wud luv 2 c players like jesse ryder and ross taylor get in2 the fold i also think luke woodcock has a lot of potiental 2 b the nxt jimmy adams

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thierry henry International Captain Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 5,032	I agree that James Marshall shouldn't be there. Unlike Hamish, James has a bad FC record cos he just isn't really that good, imo. I also don't really agree with Fleming opening. I do think Papps deserves another go but beyond that I'm stumped. Papps and Cumming perhaps? However, that's really taking up 2 spots for 2 quite mediocre players, and leaving better bats out. Also, I don't realistically see Lou Vincent missing out, coming off his recent double hundred and huge innings in the one-dayers v Zimbabwe. As much as I can't stand him.

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whitedazzler School Boy/Girl Captain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 168	rnt we all i think the selectors r protecting him since that brett lee ball and due 2 his height or lack off

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