Is Pietersen " hubris" ? Geoff Boycott thinks so!

JASON · 10-09-2005, 10:31 PM

Watching Channel 4 discussion during the rain interruptions , I saw this discussion between Mark Nicholas, Tony Greig and Geoff Boycott about KP . The discussion was about Boycott's description of KP in one of English Newspaper sports columns as "Hubris".

For those who do not know the meaning of this word - (I admit I learnt this word only after watching this discussion) - From MSN Encarta dictionary

hubris

hu·bris [ hybriss ]
noun
Definitions:
1. pride: excessive pride or arrogance
2. excessive ambition: the excessive pride and ambition that usually leads to the downfall of a hero in classical tragedy
[Late 19th century. < Greek]
hu·bris·tic [ hyoo brístik ]adj

So here's a Poll -for CW members -

Shounak · 10-09-2005, 11:06 PM

It's youthful cockiness.. Like Maverick in Top Gun...

It doesn't fall into any of the poll options for me. Therefore I will withold my vote..

andyc · 10-09-2005, 11:07 PM

I'd like to vote for 'yes,' but I also think Boycott is nuts, so which should I choose?

age_master · 10-09-2005, 11:12 PM

its a big yes from me

cameeel · 10-09-2005, 11:12 PM

No point being cocky until he backs it up with some good performances, particularly in the field

andyc · 10-09-2005, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cameeel

No point being cocky until he backs it up with some good performances, particularly in the field

He's batted pretty well this series. Although that shot he played to Warne was an absolute shocker.

cameeel · 10-09-2005, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyc

He's batted pretty well this series. Although that shot he played to Warne was an absolute shocker.

True, his batting has been good, but his fielding has been absolutely shocking

Shounak · 10-09-2005, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cameeel

No point being cocky until he backs it up with some good performances, particularly in the field

Stop being so negative mate. He's been awesome with the bat for one.

And his performance in South Africa. Absolutely mind blowing. He saved Englands ars#s a number of times. When the going gets tough, the tough get going..

The guy's a champ..

cameeel · 11-09-2005, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shounak

Stop being so negative mate. He's been awesome with the bat for one.

And his performance in South Africa. Absolutely mind blowing. He saved Englands ars#s a number of times. When the going gets tough, the tough get going..

The guy's a champ..

See post #7....

Slow Love™ · 11-09-2005, 01:25 AM

Isn't it a bit ironic for Boycott to accuse anybody of hubris?

Anyhow, I don't see it really. He's a confidence player who has already done some amazing things in international cricket in a very short space of time. He's quite young, and it's probably more the case that some of the older English players need to get in his ear a bit about his concentration.

His catching problems have obviously escalated after the first couple, and if anything, it's a bit of a lack of confidence in that area that's causing problems, rather than arrogant disregard.

cameeel · 11-09-2005, 01:30 AM

Much the same as Tait's fielding problems, you just gotta keep reminding yourself what you did wrong and learn from it

BoyBrumby · 11-09-2005, 02:07 AM

Nothing wrong with a bit of self-belief IMHO. I do wish sometimes he'd play slightly more circumspectly against Warne when he first comes on tho. I guess it's because they're mates & all, but with the way he attacks Warne it looks as if he views him as a personal challenge to be smashed out of the attack.

The catching is a worry and rather strange too because, where you to ask me before the test series, I'd have had him down as one of our best fielders.

FaaipDeOiad · 11-09-2005, 02:30 AM

Pietersen has bucketloads of talent, but some serious problems he has to work out before he can be a long-term test success, particularly with his off-side shots and his tendancy to try and invent strokes to every ball when he doesn't need to in test cricket. If he can sort those out, he's going to be a phenomenal player.

Jono · 11-09-2005, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

The catching is a worry and rather strange too because, where you to ask me before the test series, I'd have had him down as one of our best fielders.

Exactly! Remember the whole "You can't keep him out of the game" saga where he was fielding brilliantly in the ODI matches. He, other than Collingwood was probably England's best fieldder. Quite odd.

Dasa · 11-09-2005, 02:57 AM

His ground fielding has still been pretty good - just the catching has been terrible.

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10-09-2005, 10:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
JASON Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: At Work Posts: 7,558	Is Pietersen " hubris" ? Geoff Boycott thinks so! Watching Channel 4 discussion during the rain interruptions , I saw this discussion between Mark Nicholas, Tony Greig and Geoff Boycott about KP . The discussion was about Boycott's description of KP in one of English Newspaper sports columns as "Hubris". For those who do not know the meaning of this word - (I admit I learnt this word only after watching this discussion) - From MSN Encarta dictionary hubris hu·bris [ hybriss ] noun Definitions: 1. pride: excessive pride or arrogance 2. excessive ambition: the excessive pride and ambition that usually leads to the downfall of a hero in classical tragedy [Late 19th century. < Greek] hu·bris·tic [ hyoo brístik ]adj So here's a Poll -for CW members - Last edited by JASON; 10-09-2005 at 10:35 PM.

10-09-2005, 11:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
age_master Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 15,777	its a big yes from me __________________ Member of CW Green Kerry O'Keefe - Worlds funniest Commentator

10-09-2005, 11:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
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11-09-2005, 01:25 AM	#10 (permalink)
Slow Love™ International Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 6,079	Isn't it a bit ironic for Boycott to accuse anybody of hubris? Anyhow, I don't see it really. He's a confidence player who has already done some amazing things in international cricket in a very short space of time. He's quite young, and it's probably more the case that some of the older English players need to get in his ear a bit about his concentration. His catching problems have obviously escalated after the first couple, and if anything, it's a bit of a lack of confidence in that area that's causing problems, rather than arrogant disregard. __________________ "Youre known for having a liking for men who look like women." - Linda "FFS I'm sick and tired of having to see a bloke bend over to pick something up or lean over and see their arse crack. For christ's sake pull your pants up or buy some underpants you bogan because nobody want's to see it. And this is a boat building shed (well one of them) not a porn studio." - Craig

10-09-2005, 11:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
Shounak Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,520	It's youthful cockiness.. Like Maverick in Top Gun... It doesn't fall into any of the poll options for me. Therefore I will withold my vote..

11-09-2005, 01:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
cameeel International Captain Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 6,902	Much the same as Tait's fielding problems, you just gotta keep reminding yourself what you did wrong and learn from it

11-09-2005, 02:07 AM	#12 (permalink)
BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,618	Nothing wrong with a bit of self-belief IMHO. I do wish sometimes he'd play slightly more circumspectly against Warne when he first comes on tho. I guess it's because they're mates & all, but with the way he attacks Warne it looks as if he views him as a personal challenge to be smashed out of the attack. The catching is a worry and rather strange too because, where you to ask me before the test series, I'd have had him down as one of our best fielders. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

11-09-2005, 02:30 AM	#13 (permalink)
FaaipDeOiad Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 18,682	Pietersen has bucketloads of talent, but some serious problems he has to work out before he can be a long-term test success, particularly with his off-side shots and his tendancy to try and invent strokes to every ball when he doesn't need to in test cricket. If he can sort those out, he's going to be a phenomenal player. __________________ I know a place where a royal flush Can never beat a pair

11-09-2005, 02:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
Dasa International Vice-Captain Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts: 4,955	His ground fielding has still been pretty good - just the catching has been terrible.

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