The Aussies lack something...

Clarence · 06-09-2005, 12:29 AM

Is it pride? No.

Is it guts? No.

Is it talent? No.

Is it the lack a big Queensland left arm quick? Probably.'

Stuart Clarke wtf? Get Mitchell Johnson in there, he is strong, fast and accurate. Plays with good starch as well.

marc71178 · 06-09-2005, 01:06 AM

If you ask me, it's passion.

Warne aside, they've not seemed to have any of that in the side IMO.

luckyeddie · 06-09-2005, 01:12 AM

Just as long as this time next week they're lacking an urn as well.

FaaipDeOiad · 06-09-2005, 01:14 AM

Mitchell Johnson isn't even a regular in the Queensland side yet. He's not in the Australia A team either, he's a reserve for them, which tells you how far he is from the Australian test team.

Anyway, Australia have lacked luck, ability against reverse swing, catching ability and Glenn McGrath. Without those things, and against an England team which is both very good and playing at the top of its game, it's not unthinkable that they would have trouble.

Not sure where the lack of passion thing comes from really, I'm sure Australia want to win just as much as ever. And faulting the passion of someone like Brett Lee who has absolutely worked his heart out all series despite all sorts of setbacks seems incredibly unfair on him.

marc71178 · 06-09-2005, 01:15 AM

To me, there's nowhere near the onfield get up and go that the English have (apart from Warne IMO)

I said it earlier in the series, and the odd foul-mouthed outburst from the skipper isn't enough to change my mind on it.

Pedro Delgado · 06-09-2005, 01:54 AM

Warne, Lee, Langer have shown passion in buckets. Clarke has been more like Gilly then Gilly. Gillespie has never stopped trying, even Hayden is thinking about how he can survive to help the cause (debatable whether this way is right for him, however playing his natural game had him undone too so go figure).

No, they've been outplayed by better cricket for longer periods and they've missed a great bowler, simple as. If they hadn't shown passion, grit and determination it'd all be over by now, it's because they've displayed those qualities that the series remains "open", though whatever happens at the Oval England cannot lose the series, which is still remarkable from my perspective.

Linda · 06-09-2005, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by marc71178

To me, there's nowhere near the onfield get up and go that the English have (apart from Warne IMO)

I said it earlier in the series, and the odd foul-mouthed outburst from the skipper isn't enough to change my mind on it.

Like Pedro mentioned, youd have to include Lee there. His head has almost exploded various amounts of times.

Pedro Delgado · 06-09-2005, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Linda

Like Pedro mentioned, youd have to include Lee there. His head has almost exploded various amounts of times.

And Martyn is just cool and handsome, eh Linda? Which is enough for some

andyc · 06-09-2005, 02:13 AM

Katich has played pretty passionately too

luckyeddie · 06-09-2005, 02:20 AM

What's been missing appears to have been a little bit of commitment early on.

A similar thing happened in the tour of Sri Lanka when time and time again (all right, twice) Australia got themselves into a frightful mess early in the game, then suddenly the koala turned into a cougar and they fought thyemselves out of a hole.

Why that trend has continued into the Ashes series I really don't know, unless the side are just ring-weary. Australia of old used to dig deep BEFORE the cliches were on the table, and put sides out of the game before they knew they were even in one.

I see retirements - and lots of them.

Linda · 06-09-2005, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedro Delgado

And Martyn is just cool and handsome, eh Linda? Which is enough for some

I'd prefer cool, handsome and coupiously scoring runs... but I guess I can't have everything.

Hoggy31 · 06-09-2005, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by andyc

Katich has played pretty passionately too

Yeah i agree, he's been the one i've been most impressed with. In the field he never stops trying and is always there trying to gee 'em up, and when batting he values his wicket immensely

dinu23 · 06-09-2005, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by luckyeddie

What's been missing appears to have been a little bit of commitment early on.

A similar thing happened in the tour of Sri Lanka when time and time again (all right, twice) Australia got themselves into a frightful mess early in the game, then suddenly the koala turned into a cougar and they fought thyemselves out of a hole.

Why that trend has continued into the Ashes series I really don't know, unless the side are just ring-weary. Australia of old used to dig deep BEFORE the cliches were on the table, and put sides out of the game before they knew they were even in one.

I see retirements - and lots of them.

that is very true.

twctopcat · 06-09-2005, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by luckyeddie

Just as long as this time next week they're lacking an urn as well.

Hear hear.

SJS · 06-09-2005, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Clarence

Is it pride? No.

Is it guts? No.

Is it talent? No.

Good Manners !!!

06-09-2005, 12:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
Clarence U19 Cricketer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: QLD Posts: 429	The Aussies lack something... Is it pride? No. Is it guts? No. Is it talent? No. Is it the lack a big Queensland left arm quick? Probably.' Stuart Clarke wtf? Get Mitchell Johnson in there, he is strong, fast and accurate. Plays with good starch as well.

06-09-2005, 01:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,333	If you ask me, it's passion. Warne aside, they've not seemed to have any of that in the side IMO. __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

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luckyeddie Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Derby, England Posts: 17,617	Just as long as this time next week they're lacking an urn as well. __________________ Nigel Clough's Black and White Army, beating Forest away with 10 men

06-09-2005, 01:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
FaaipDeOiad Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 18,682	Mitchell Johnson isn't even a regular in the Queensland side yet. He's not in the Australia A team either, he's a reserve for them, which tells you how far he is from the Australian test team. Anyway, Australia have lacked luck, ability against reverse swing, catching ability and Glenn McGrath. Without those things, and against an England team which is both very good and playing at the top of its game, it's not unthinkable that they would have trouble. Not sure where the lack of passion thing comes from really, I'm sure Australia want to win just as much as ever. And faulting the passion of someone like Brett Lee who has absolutely worked his heart out all series despite all sorts of setbacks seems incredibly unfair on him. __________________ I know a place where a royal flush Can never beat a pair

06-09-2005, 01:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
Pedro Delgado International Debutant Join Date: May 2004 Location: Derby, England. Posts: 2,939	Warne, Lee, Langer have shown passion in buckets. Clarke has been more like Gilly then Gilly. Gillespie has never stopped trying, even Hayden is thinking about how he can survive to help the cause (debatable whether this way is right for him, however playing his natural game had him undone too so go figure). No, they've been outplayed by better cricket for longer periods and they've missed a great bowler, simple as. If they hadn't shown passion, grit and determination it'd all be over by now, it's because they've displayed those qualities that the series remains "open", though whatever happens at the Oval England cannot lose the series, which is still remarkable from my perspective. __________________ Member of the Rosalie Birch Appreciation Society (RBAS) Member of CVAAS - go Joe You're a ghost la la la la la la la la laaa You're a ghost la la la la la la la la laaa I'm the church and I've come To claim you with my iron drum la la la la la la la la la la The wolves are running..

06-09-2005, 01:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,333	To me, there's nowhere near the onfield get up and go that the English have (apart from Warne IMO) I said it earlier in the series, and the odd foul-mouthed outburst from the skipper isn't enough to change my mind on it.

06-09-2005, 02:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
luckyeddie Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Derby, England Posts: 17,617	What's been missing appears to have been a little bit of commitment early on. A similar thing happened in the tour of Sri Lanka when time and time again (all right, twice) Australia got themselves into a frightful mess early in the game, then suddenly the koala turned into a cougar and they fought thyemselves out of a hole. Why that trend has continued into the Ashes series I really don't know, unless the side are just ring-weary. Australia of old used to dig deep BEFORE the cliches were on the table, and put sides out of the game before they knew they were even in one. I see retirements - and lots of them.

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