And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW
Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta
It is shocking to see Grimmett ommitted not just because he is not in the last five but because he isn't in the 25 at all. Before the Warney 'phenomenon' swamped the cricketing world (despite the Murali miracle) it was widely accepted that Oreilly and/or Grimmett were way ahead of any spinners to come out of Australia. Bradman, in fact considered O'reilly the greatest bowler of all times - all types ! Of course there were those who felt Syd Barnes was better but thats another debate.
The debate about who was better between Grimmett and O'reilly wasn't settled during their cricketing years as well. It was only when Bradman, whose differences with Grimmett and whose famous dropping of the maestro are part of cricketing folklore, rooted for O'reilly as the better bowler that the support for O'reilly grew with latter day cricket lovers in general.
It is well known that Grimmett took 216 wickets in just 37 tests (the first man to take 200 test wickets). Grimmett and O'reilly bowled together in 15 tests before Grimmett was unceremoniously dumped by the Don. They bowled in an era when Australia had virtually no top fast bowling combination and batsmen like McCabe bowled more overs with the new ball than any other regular new ball bowler ! Yet, in an era dominated by some of cricket's tallest scoring, these two, between them took 169 wickets in the 15 test matches ! With Bradman in the batting line up, these two were all Australia needed to retain a firm grip as the number one Test nation (bodyline series excepted).
Here are their figures for these 15 tests :-
The period was 1932 to 1936. It is important to remember, however, that these were the last 15 Tests for Grimmett who, as mentioned earlier, did not play after this. Oreilly went on to play for ten more years.Code:Bowler Tests Overs Runs Wkts 10-fors 5-fors Avg St. Rt Ec. Rt Grimmett 15 986 1835 88 4 9 20.85 67.2 1.86 Oreilly 15 900.4 1739 81 2 6 21.46 66.7 1.96
The figures are telling not just of how great the two bowlers were and how devastating but also that the debate of Grimmett versus O'reilly defies even the number -crunchers :-))
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Most likely to be a function of our history I would say Australians aren't ever too keen on discussing the past. As such our cricket media never tend to delve back too far past the invincibles. I suppose the 120 players asked should be well in tune with the greats of yesteryear.
Crap piece written for Warne. Really plain.
I think there'll sooner be another Bradman than another Warne. - Gidgeon Haigh
[Warne is] the greatest bowler ever produced in this entire world - Muttiah Muralidaran
[Warne is] the greatest bowler of all time - Glenn McGrath
In my opinion Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer who's ever lived - Ian Botham
Warne is the greatest cricketer to pick up a ball ever.
And is the greatest bowler I have ever laid eyes on. - Brian Lara
quite right. rather underwhelming. quite enjoyed brearley's piece though there was an element of what can loosely be termed 'heroworship'.
i know i am god. since when i pray i find i am talking to myself.
(massive apologies to barnes)
(Others i considered were,Doug Walters,Arthur Morris,Adam Gilchrist,Victor Trumper)
BOWLERS (after Mcgrath its hard to say,but think this would be pretty close)
Batsmen: Don Bradman | Greg Chappell | Ricky Ponting | Allan Border | Stan McCabe | Steve Waugh | Victor Trumper | Neil Harvey | Doug Walters | Matthew Hayden |
Bowlers: Dennis Lillee | Glen McGrath | Shane Warne | Clarrie Grimmett | Bill O'Reilly | Ray Lindwall | Alan Davidson | Keith Miller | Fred Spofforth | Charlie Turner |
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Hutton* | Hobbs | Bradman | Richards^ | Tendulkar | Sobers5^ | Gilchrist+ | Khan3 | Marshall1 | Warne4^ | McGrath2
Sutcliffe | Gavaskar* | Headley | Chappell^ | Lara^ | Kallis5^ | Knott+ | Hadlee3 | Ambrose2 | Lillee1 | Muralitharan4
Greenidge | Richards^ | Ponting^ | Pollock | Hammond^ | Worrell5* | Waite+ | Akram3 | Steyn1 | Holding2 | O'Reilly4
Morris | Simpson^ | Sangakkara | Weekes^ | Border*^ | Walcott+ | Faulkner5 | Laker4 | Trueman1 | Garner3 | Donald2
(Ponsford and Morris)
(McDonald, Spofforth, CTB Turner)
= 1st Grimmett
= 1st O'Reilly
= 1st Warne
Kyear2 to prove that people actually read your posts can I ask why you have Ponting above Harvey and Trumper above Morris. Do you rate these players better or have you elevated them for some other reason.
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