Greatest Australian bowlers and batsmen of all time? - Page 5

marc71178 · 26-10-2011, 04:50 PM

Don't know, but all I know is the **** wouldn't meet me and my mate because we were a) dressed as a sheep and a farmer and b) pissed.

Burgey · 26-10-2011, 04:55 PM

You're lucky he didn't try to hunt you then

howardj · 26-10-2011, 04:55 PM

Thommo comes across as a bloody red neck, who tries to be really blunt.

Anyway, RE McGrath and Lillee...yeah well I may have been wrong about McGrath having no blemishes in his career stats, but he still has Lillee covered on every statistical measure (average, economy rate etc), and lead the attack of an all conquering team for more than a decade.

vic_orthdox · 26-10-2011, 07:16 PM

Thompson's just a wild and woolly larrikin from what I've seen/heard about him, out of the Symonds mould. If he likes you, then he'll stand up for you at any time; if he's got no time for you, then you'll know about it, and probably hate him. Lazy as, couldn't give a stuff.

Burgey · 26-10-2011, 08:36 PM

That's a nice article on Gilly. I must say that reading his autobiography, his self-doubt at the highest level really did come through pretty clearly.

Wonderful leave by NSW to retain Fat Phil Emery instead of Big Ears. I think the same selectors have chosen the side playing ATM.

robelinda · 26-10-2011, 09:28 PM

I guess it was a different era really, could you imagine a gun keeper batsman being forced to leave his state now for some plodding fat ass who will never play test cricket? And yes i know Emery played one test........

smalishah84 · 27-10-2011, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ikki

If Tendulkar can be compared to The Don then Warne is better

hang on · 27-10-2011, 12:42 AM

so, it's going to be:

warne
bradman
lillee
gilchrist
miller

smalishah84 · 27-10-2011, 01:11 AM

no......Warne comes after the Don of course

hang on · 27-10-2011, 01:16 AM

not sure about that. the last part of the article linked seems to suggest that personal biases might just end up leading to a surprise.

NUFAN · 27-10-2011, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8ankitj

My take at the top 25 Aussies:

Don Bradman, Keith Miller, Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath, Greg Chappell,
Bill O'Reilly, Dennis Lillee, Ricky Ponting, Allan Border, Steve Waugh,
Clarrie Grimmet, Adam Gilchrist, Alan Davidson, Ray Lindwall, Charlie Turner,
Fred Spofforth, Victor Trumper, Monty Noble, Jack Gregory, Mathew Hayden,
Hugh Trumble, Stan McCabbe, Neil Harvey, Warwick Armstrong, Richie Benaud

That's a serious amount of genius coming from one country! Hope, I haven't left out anyone obvious

I was thinking about your list today. The 18 names I've bolded are certainties in my top 25, the other 7 while great, do have competition.

In the end my 25 would include Hayden, Benaud, Noble (so 21 of your 25) but I would also include Walters, Ponsford, Tallon and Morris.

Redbacks · 27-10-2011, 06:16 AM

Those that won't make the top 25 with specialities in ODIs:

Bevan, Symonds and maybe Hussey.

Spark · 27-10-2011, 06:24 AM

Actually, out of curiosity, how far do people think Hussey is from this list?

robelinda · 27-10-2011, 06:42 AM

He can't be too far off really, not many Aussies with that number of tests and a 50+ average. Most batsman goes through a form slump, i don't know why people focus on the slump for some batsman yet excuse it for others. Champion player.

Ikki · 27-10-2011, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by howardj

Thommo comes across as a bloody red neck, who tries to be really blunt.

Anyway, RE McGrath and Lillee...yeah well I may have been wrong about McGrath having no blemishes in his career stats, but he still has Lillee covered on every statistical measure (average, economy rate etc), and lead the attack of an all conquering team for more than a decade.

If you include WSC and World XI tests then Lillee is slightly faster taker but slightly more expensive. It's very close on that statistical front. What hinders Lillee is not playing enough in the SC and not having a nicely packaged record. Regardless, even his contemporaries call him the greatest fast bowler of all time. And Lillee, when he had the teammates, also had a fantastic winning run. Indeed, that's what many would consider a strength - that Lillee was awesome when he had partners and when he didn't.

It's just false to paint it as if McGrath is that much better than Lillee that it's not a contest. Either way, Lillee or McGrath, the difference is very very slight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hang on

not sure about that. the last part of the article linked seems to suggest that personal biases might just end up leading to a surprise.

You'd have to be biased to the point of hatred/idol-worship to consider Warne, or anyone ever, better than The Don.

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vic_orthdox Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 24,365	Thompson's just a wild and woolly larrikin from what I've seen/heard about him, out of the Symonds mould. If he likes you, then he'll stand up for you at any time; if he's got no time for you, then you'll know about it, and probably hate him. Lazy as, couldn't give a stuff. Last edited by vic_orthdox; 26-10-2011 at 07:20 PM.

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robelinda International Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: at home Posts: 4,049	I guess it was a different era really, could you imagine a gun keeper batsman being forced to leave his state now for some plodding fat ass who will never play test cricket? And yes i know Emery played one test........ __________________ My Youtube cricket channels, thousands of gold old videos http://www.youtube.com/user/robelinda2 http://www.youtube.com/user/robelinda

26-10-2011, 08:36 PM	#65 (permalink)
Burgey Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Castle Posts: 35,138	That's a nice article on Gilly. I must say that reading his autobiography, his self-doubt at the highest level really did come through pretty clearly. Wonderful leave by NSW to retain Fat Phil Emery instead of Big Ears. I think the same selectors have chosen the side playing ATM.

27-10-2011, 12:42 AM	#68 (permalink)
hang on State Vice-Captain Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: mediterranea Posts: 1,447	so, it's going to be: warne bradman lillee gilchrist miller __________________ i know i am god. since when i pray i find i am talking to myself. (massive apologies to barnes)

27-10-2011, 01:11 AM	#69 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,860	no......Warne comes after the Don of course

27-10-2011, 01:16 AM	#70 (permalink)
hang on State Vice-Captain Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: mediterranea Posts: 1,447	not sure about that. the last part of the article linked seems to suggest that personal biases might just end up leading to a surprise.

27-10-2011, 06:16 AM	#72 (permalink)
Redbacks International Vice-Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Barrow Island, WA Posts: 4,063	Those that won't make the top 25 with specialities in ODIs: Bevan, Symonds and maybe Hussey.

27-10-2011, 06:42 AM	#74 (permalink)
robelinda International Vice-Captain Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: at home Posts: 4,049	He can't be too far off really, not many Aussies with that number of tests and a 50+ average. Most batsman goes through a form slump, i don't know why people focus on the slump for some batsman yet excuse it for others. Champion player.

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