Greatest Australian bowlers and batsmen of all time? - Page 2

BoyBrumby · 25-10-2011, 11:47 AM

Suppose no Grimmett the biggest omission. Dizzy slightly harshly done by given Garth McKenzie made it in too.

Monty Noble and The Big Ship, especially if leadership is highly prized by the electorate, probably has cases too.

Dissector · 25-10-2011, 11:52 AM

Yeah Benaud is being over-rated IMO. He averaged above 30 against both England and the West Indies. I would imagine old-timers like Spofforth and Turner would rank above him.

Clem Hill is perhaps worth a place as well..

Ikki · 25-10-2011, 12:18 PM

Hayden too.

Haha love this bit:

Quote:

In between visits Keith would often ring. One time I answered the phone and heard: “I thought you told me, ahem, that Mark Taylor was a good bloke.”
“He is, Keith.”
“Then why,” laughed Keith, “didn't he, ahem, make one more bloody run before he declared?”
It was October 1998 and Taylor had just struck his mammoth 334 not out in Peshawar — the then Australian record, and equal to Bradman's top score.

The Sean · 25-10-2011, 12:59 PM

McGrath, Chappell, Trumper and Tiger all a few notches lower than they should be IMO. Richie, much as I love him, too high.

Miller too low as well for mine - I have him top 3. But then, I guess I would wouldn't I?

SJS · 25-10-2011, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redbacks

The Age is runnning the 'Cricketer's top 25' at the moment (better named Bradman and the next 24).

The greatest of all time? Our cricketers decide - The Age - Melbourne

The Results so far:

The players value 'leadership', 'good bloke' etc more highly than outsiders in general.

Miller Comes in at 5:
In praise of the, ahem, all-rounder - Chapelli - The Age - Melbourne

With these 20 the five to come would have Bradman, Wane, Lillee and GrimmettI I guess and since Gilchrist is missing in the 6 to 25 list I guess he will fill the last spot although that is surprisingly high.

I realise that not many here think Grimmett is that high but then . . .

Of course I could be proved completely wrong for there are some surprise in the order, if not the contents of the 20 listed . . .

centurymaker · 25-10-2011, 04:50 PM

forgetting Keith Miller.

Burgey · 25-10-2011, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by centurymaker

forgetting Keith Miller.

He's number five.

So there'll be no Turner, McCartney or Armstrong by the looks of it. itstl

centurymaker · 25-10-2011, 06:30 PM

pretty sure it'll be something like this then-

1.Bradman
2.Warne
3.Lillee
4. Gilly

Burgey · 25-10-2011, 06:45 PM

Good to see AB getting the respect he deserves too.

howardj · 25-10-2011, 07:00 PM

Can never understand Lillee ahead of McGrath in these things

Lillee had an aura yes, but geez McGrath is one of the only cricketers with blemish-free statistics

There are no soft points in his CV - anywhere, against anyone

vic_orthdox · 25-10-2011, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Suppose no Grimmett the biggest omission. Dizzy slightly harshly done by given Garth McKenzie made it in too.

Monty Noble and The Big Ship, especially if leadership is highly prized by the electorate, probably has cases too.

Voting probably rewards the guys who were the pre-eminent player of their time, with it being all former players. Garth was the leader of the attack throughout his career (IIRC), as opposed to Gillespie - so if the player has to spread their votes around, then you're not likely to vote for the second best pacer of an era (especially if you didn't play in that era).

Peter McIntyre stiff to miss out...

howardj · 25-10-2011, 08:09 PM

Bryce McGain yet to come?

Spikey · 25-10-2011, 08:17 PM

McCabe too low. Davidson and Richie should probably be the other way around for on-field performances but as we all know Richie is much more than just a legspinner

adub · 25-10-2011, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redbacks

The Age is runnning the 'Cricketer's top 25' at the moment (better named Bradman and the next 24).

The greatest of all time? Our cricketers decide - The Age - Melbourne

The Results so far:

The players value 'leadership', 'good bloke' etc more highly than outsiders in general.

Miller Comes in at 5:
In praise of the, ahem, all-rounder - Chapelli - The Age - Melbourne

The omission of Grimmett is pretty striking to me. I thought he must've made the top five with Bradman, Lillee, Warne and Gilchrist when I first read the article, but then realised Miller was missing. First man to 200 test wickets (and still the only one to do it in less than 40 tests), 7 ten-fers in 37 tests, averaging 6 wickets per match, inventor of the flipper, inaugural inductee in the Australian Cricket Hall of Fame. Freak I think is the word you're looking for.

I can see how it would happen with each person having to pick 5 players (I don't know if I'd have him in my top 5 either), but if he's not one of the best 25 players to play for Australia I'll give it up.

howardj · 25-10-2011, 08:22 PM

yeah, he's also a commentator who should have retired about 10 years ago

hope he's not back again this summer

sorry, but you opened the door lol

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,643	Suppose no Grimmett the biggest omission. Dizzy slightly harshly done by given Garth McKenzie made it in too. Monty Noble and The Big Ship, especially if leadership is highly prized by the electorate, probably has cases too. __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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Dissector International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 2,102	Yeah Benaud is being over-rated IMO. He averaged above 30 against both England and the West Indies. I would imagine old-timers like Spofforth and Turner would rank above him. Clem Hill is perhaps worth a place as well..

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centurymaker International Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,254	forgetting Keith Miller.

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centurymaker International Vice-Captain Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,254	pretty sure it'll be something like this then- 1.Bradman 2.Warne 3.Lillee 4. Gilly

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Burgey Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Castle Posts: 35,148	Good to see AB getting the respect he deserves too.

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howardj International Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: brisbane Posts: 12,107	yeah, he's also a commentator who should have retired about 10 years ago hope he's not back again this summer sorry, but you opened the door lol

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