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    From What I Have Seen...(roughly debut in or after, say, 1985)

    Top 10 Bowlers

    Curtley Ambrose
    Glenn Mcgrath
    Shane Warne
    Muthaiah Muralidharan
    Dale Steyn
    Wasim Akram
    Waqar Younis
    Allan Donald
    Courtney Walsh
    Anil Kumble


    Top 10 Batsmen

    Brian Lara
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Rahul Dravid
    Ricky Ponting
    Jack Kallis
    Steve Waugh
    Inzamam Ul Haq
    Mohm. Yusuf
    Alastair Cook
    Andy Flower

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    Batsmen

    10. Wally Hammond
    9. Greg Chappell
    8. Len Hutton
    7. Vivian Richards
    6. Brian Lara
    5. Sachin Tendulkar
    4. Garfield Sobers
    3. Jack Hobbs
    2. W G Grace
    1. Donald Bradman

    Just missed out: Ricky Ponting and George Headley

    Bowlers

    10. Fred Trueman/ Joel Garner
    9. Richard Hadlee
    8. Dennis Lillee
    7. Curtly Ambrose
    6. Shane Warne
    5. Wasim Akram
    4. Glenn McGrath
    3. Sydney Barnes
    2. Muttiah Muralitharan
    1. Malcolm Marshall

    Just missed out: Imran Khan, Waqar Younis, Allan Donald, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Holding and Alan Davidson
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    Batsmen

    01> Sir Donald Bradman
    02> Sir Garfield Sobers
    03> Sir Viv Richards
    04> Brian Lara
    05> Sachin Tendulkar
    06> Graeme Pollock
    07> George Headley
    08> Ricky Ponting
    09> Greg Chappell
    10> Adam Gilchrist ( 47 runs @ 82 Strike Rate I like better than say a 55 @ 45/50 Strike Rate - Moreover I've seen him throw his wicket away for quick runs when Aus were at 450/5 or 470/5 so many times .... Had run accumulating been his aim he could have done so on so many occasions but that wasn't the case ..... He was a special destroyer and I would be a sinner if he is not in my top 10)

    PS : Lara and Tendulkar could maybe swap places (if u prefer consistency over peak brilliance) but then does it matter as they are both in the top 5 anyways?

    Bowlers

    01> Glenn McGrath
    02> Dennis Lillee
    03> Malcolm Marshall
    04> Sir Richard Hadlee
    05> Wasim Akram
    06> Curtly Ambrose
    07> Allan Donald
    08> Fred Trueman
    09> Dale Steyn
    10> Waqar Younis


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    my order based on nothing

    1 bradlyman
    2 tendulkar
    3 richards
    4 sobers
    5 hobbs
    6 lara
    7 chappell
    8 havaskar
    9 ponting
    10 headley

    bowlers

    1 marshall
    2 warne
    3 murali
    4 mcgrath
    5 hadlee
    6 ambrose
    7 lillee
    8 steyn
    9 trueman
    10 imran

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    Sometimes I feel Marshall is highly overrated when people say he is beyond doubt the greatest fast bowler of all time.

    3 Reasons :

    01> He picked his 1st 5W hauls in 1983 and picked his last 5W haul in 1989. So apart from those 7 years at a stretch he wasn't all that good and its not that his teammates cut into his tally. He wasn't all that good before 83 or after 89 to pick any 5fer .....
    02> He was MEDIOCRE in ODIs .... He had the worst strike rate in ODIs than his peers Lillee/Imran/Kapil/Hadlee/Botham and even someone like Greg Chappel struck better than him. His bowling avg in ODIs is close to 27 which is just BS for a guy who is beyond doubt the greatest fast bowler ever.
    03> Bowling with 2-3 all time greats in your team gives u great advantage since new batsmen are mostly unsettled and they can fall quicker thus giving you chance to improve ur strike rate. That having said I am aware that Marshall used to take the order wickets more than Garner still the cushion was clearly there which others did not have.

    Before someone points out how ODIs have changed since 92 lets not forget how awesome Lillee was in the 70s despite ODIs being so new. Thats how an all time greatest strike bowler adapts to a new format. Marshall in that era and STEYN in THIS era failed to do that ..... They are not even in the top 5 bowlers in the shorter format in their eras which to me is not acceptable when we talk of someone being the Greatest of All Time.

    Lillee > Marshall anyday .... McGrath > Marshall too overall.
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    ^ Interesting perspective there. .
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    He's not wrong, just that most of CW doesn't consider odis that important when assessing cricketers. The test performances always take precedence so the one who had a superior test career is going to be rated higher than someone who is seen as slightly worse in tests but ahead in ODIs.

    That's not the case with the general public though.
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    i find it hilarious when new blokes come in and bring odi stats to put one bloke over the other. its so not on

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    He's not wrong, just that most of CW doesn't consider odis that important when assessing cricketers. The test performances always take precedence so the one who had a superior test career is going to be rated higher than someone who is seen as slightly worse in tests but ahead in ODIs.

    That's not the case with the general public though.
    Before coming here, I used test and odi records together to rate a player. Here it's accepted that you can only talk about one format at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gob View Post
    i find it hilarious when new blokes come in and bring odi stats to put one bloke over the other. its so not on
    Hey 9 month old bloke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    He's not wrong, just that most of CW doesn't consider odis that important when assessing cricketers. The test performances always take precedence so the one who had a superior test career is going to be rated higher than someone who is seen as slightly worse in tests but ahead in ODIs.

    That's not the case with the general public though.
    Quote Originally Posted by ankitj View Post
    Before coming here, I used test and odi records together to rate a player. Here it's accepted that you can only talk about one format at a time.
    Tbh a lot of ex-cricketers do it too. You hear so many anecdotes like "Oh he is one of my absolute favorite bowlers. I remember he had this insane spell in a one day match back in 1990. We just couldn't play him."

    For example, you could see with Sachin and Ponting, their ODI legacies are a big part of their careers. The point is you would have had to be really special in the ODIs to have an effect on your overall legacy, like Wasim for fast bowlers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gob View Post
    i find it hilarious when new blokes come in and bring odi stats to put one bloke over the other. its so not on
    I am not trying to compare McGrath's ODI stats to Marshall's.

    I am comparing Marshall to his own peers and asking why isn't he in the top 3-4 in his own era in ODIs as well? Someone like Lillee [who is considered the golden standard of fast bowling by his peers and future generations] adapted so well to the new format and had his own impact back then. Why did Marshall fail to have any impact in ODIs? Its not that he played less ODIs, played like 130-140 matches. Thats the question ....Is it too much for the Greatest bowler of all time to adapt to the new format and at least be in the top 3 bowlers ?

    When someone says Tendulkar is better than Lara then Tendulkar has the dominance in ODIs to back it. When someone says Lara is better than Tendulkar then the debate exists only because Brian was so amazing in the 90s in ODIs (Number 1 in ICC rankings from 1993 till 1999 I think). Had Brian been like crap in ODIs then there wouldn't be a Lara vs Tendulkarn debate because one also takes into account how the player adapted to different formats. Cricket is not just about Tests though Tests continue to be the primary rating parameter but not the only parameter. Same with Ponting he too is in fold because he isn't BS in ODIs. Someone like Dravid no one rates ahead of Lara/Tendulkar because its pretty clear on how he played in ODIs. Had Dravid been like Ponting in ODIs and you add that with Dravid the Test player and he too would be in the Lara-Tendulkar-Ponting mix .... See ODIs do matter a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ankitj View Post
    Hey 9 month old bloke!
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    Batsman
    Bradman
    Tendulkar
    Hobbs
    Sobers
    Hutton
    Lara
    Hammond
    Viv
    Gavaskar
    Sutcliffe

    Bowler
    Muralitharan
    Ambrose
    Barnes
    Hadlee
    McGrath
    Marshall
    Trueman
    Warne
    Imran
    Steyn

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