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    England - Underachievers?

    It just seems strange to me that a team such as England as failed to produce a bowler capable of taking 400+ Test wickets or a batsman able to get into the top 5 highest run scorers of all time. A country who helped found Test cricket and having such great resources. Also, no WCs either. Your thoughts?
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    It's also interesting to see how many more players they've used than Australia (it's about 620 to 390) even though they've been around for the same period of time. Maybe the fact that (I'm guessing) they've played more matches influences that, but I doubt it wholly explains the large discrepancy.
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    yeah i've noticed that to. I dunno why they have had so many more players than australia... anyone know why?
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    They have played more Test than Australia, but not enough to have 230 more Test cricketers. I think it may have to do with the fact they have 20 counties and Australia has 6 states in the respective domestic competitions. Therefore, they have more to choose from and have used the pool of players available


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    The simple explanation is that Australia have had better players than england, who have performed on a more consistent basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roseboy64
    It just seems strange to me that a team such as England as failed to produce a bowler capable of taking 400+ Test wickets or a batsman able to get into the top 5 highest run scorers of all time. A country who helped found Test cricket and having such great resources. Also, no WCs either. Your thoughts?
    Boycott would have scored far more runs than did.

    Hutton had the highest individual score for a long time.

    Laker has 19 wickets in a test match.

    From 1991, when I started watching cricket, England have been ordinary. But they have been on the up curve for some time now.

    I would not call England unachievers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    Boycott would have scored far more runs than did.

    and the reason he didn't get many more was ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    Hutton had the highest individual score for a long time.
    Laker has 19 wickets in a test match.
    i think he was not refering to an individual inngs

    They will continue to be under achivers in ODI unless they play more games i think
    england still plays a lot less odi games compared to others
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    Quote Originally Posted by biased indian
    and the reason he didn't get many more was ???
    He played far less tests due to controversies, injury.


    i think he was not refering to an individual inngs
    He was referring to England as a team and individual milestones too which is why he mentioned 400 wickets etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pratyush
    He was referring to England as a team and individual milestones too which is why he mentioned 400 wickets etc.
    thats the same thing that i am also saying
    he was reffering to career records not individual inngs records

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    Shouldn't this be underachievers, not unachievers?
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    Only a bunch of convicts having been beaten 3-0 and gone 9 tests without a win and won just 1 in 11 against England could go into the home series saying they will win. England will win in Australia again this winter as they are a better side which they have shown this summer. 3-0 doesn't lie girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roseboy64
    It just seems strange to me that a team such as England as failed to produce a bowler capable of taking 400+ Test wickets or a batsman able to get into the top 5 highest run scorers of all time. A country who helped found Test cricket and having such great resources. Also, no WCs either. Your thoughts?
    Very true.... sigh!

    Though that make them underachiever and not unachiever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc
    Shouldn't this be underachievers, not unachievers?
    There's a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roseboy64
    It just seems strange to me that a team such as England as failed to produce a bowler capable of taking 400+ Test wickets or a batsman able to get into the top 5 highest run scorers of all time. A country who helped found Test cricket and having such great resources. Also, no WCs either. Your thoughts?
    Well, as recently as the 1960's Fred was leading wicket-taker, as recently as the 80's Botham was up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biased indian
    thats the same thing that i am also saying
    he was reffering to career records not individual inngs records
    Career records means individual player performance judgements as do individual innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slats4ever
    yeah i've noticed that to. I dunno why they have had so many more players than australia... anyone know why?
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