View Poll Results: Englands second best spinner

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  • Gareth Batty

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  • Richard Dawson

    4 11.76%
  • Chris Schofield

    0 0%
  • Graeme Swann

    10 29.41%
  • Gary Keedy

    11 32.35%
  • Min Patel

    0 0%
  • Jeremy Snape

    1 2.94%
  • Jason Brown

    1 2.94%
  • Ian Blackwell

    1 2.94%
  • Shaun Udal

    6 17.65%
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Thread: Englands next best spinner

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    Probably Gary Keedy of Lancs (SLA), but he's a bit of a bunny so is unlikely to ever find favour with Big Dunc. Same deal with Jason Brown at Northants (off spin), although Brown hasn't had a great year so far. Both must be into their 30s too, so hardly the future
    If there is one specialism where age should be firmly ignored it is spin bowling IMO, especially finger spin bowling. Of course fast bowlers benefit from experience but unless they're Courteney Walsh the experience is usually more than countered by loss of pace, injuries etc.

    Not to mention that most spin bowlers have finally managed to learn how to hold a bat by their mid-late thirties

    And unless they're something VERY special, the test arena is quite possible not the best place to gain that experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup
    If we were go with a 2-2-Fred split in India & Pakistan this winter, we would omit Jones or Hoggard (Hoggard I'd guess, reversing etc) and then would could afford another non-batsman.
    Sounds about right. Now that the CC is up & running again, I would imagine the likes of Batty, Swann, Keedy & maybe even Dawson are playing for the 2nd spinner's place, which isn't an encouraging thought.

    Someone who's not been mentioned yet is Doshi. He probably isn't in the frame this year unles he takes about 30 wickets between now and the ened of the season, but maybe one for the future.

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    I`m far from the expert, but I guess Keedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by social
    When you read that list, it's easy to understand how Giles is no. 1 choice.

    What a bunch of pie-throwers!
    Apart from Warnie and Mcgill none of the aussie badspinners are any better. Giles isn't as bad as people say.


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    i've watched a bit of keedy recently(most of which in 20-20 cricket), he certainly doesnt look like the worst spinner, probably marginally better than giles if you ask me, but neither turn the ball significantly. swann i watched him bowl in his only game in SA a long time ago, and was quite impressed that he turned the ball a fair bit on a wicket that wasnt exactly a big turner. havent seen much of him since though. certainly though batty and dawson are both rubbish and i cant believe that the english selectors still havent realised that batty is not good enough to make the zimbabwe side.
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    does england have any spin bowlers that can turn the ball far?

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    Originally Posted by vic_orthdox
    In all honesty, they're probably not much worse than what we have to choose from here, outside of MacGill and Warne.
    hahah thats true.. same goes for us.. aside from vettori and our number 2 man wiseman theres hardly any other people..
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    Quote Originally Posted by lord_of_darkness
    hahah thats true.. same goes for us.. aside from vettori and our number 2 man wiseman theres hardly any other people..
    *Aside from Vettori there's hardly any other people..
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    Quote Originally Posted by wpdavid
    Sounds about right. Now that the CC is up & running again, I would imagine the likes of Batty, Swann, Keedy & maybe even Dawson are playing for the 2nd spinner's place, which isn't an encouraging thought.

    Someone who's not been mentioned yet is Doshi. He probably isn't in the frame this year unles he takes about 30 wickets between now and the ened of the season, but maybe one for the future.
    Saw him against Leicestershire last night & was quietly impressed with his bowling. Gives it quite a rip. Nixon got after him a bit in his last over (which he came back to bowl, Ramprakash shoulda let him bowl out for my money), but before that he bowled 8 overs for 30 taking 2 wickets. His fielding needs work tho!

    I had a look on cricinfo & was surprised to see his return for the year had been so ordinary. If he turns out to be half as good as his old man he'll do ok.
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    seriously peops.....which english spinners rip it a long way?

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    not very many.

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    there must be one.

    if not, that must be a slamming indigtment of the people teaching our kids.

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    blackwell can on very rare occasions, after that there arent any i can think of, and blackwell does it so rarely hes hardly worth a mention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanuma
    there must be one.

    if not, that must be a slamming indigtment of the people teaching our kids.
    I'm sorry, but that's tripe.

    Finger spinners don't turn it big. Wrist spinners do. Wrist spinners are by dint of English conditions only effective in July and August and get whacked for the rest of the year. Coaches can only encourage so much. There are three reasonably young wristies coming through - Simon Marshall (Lancs), Michael Munday (Somst) and Mark Lawson (Yorks) - as a not-indirect result of the Terry Jenner Elite Wrist Spin coaching scheme - but none seem to be making a particularly large "pick me" shout.

    We're doing all we can - and as a national coaching structure, things aren't going so bad right now - are they?

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