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    Indian ODI team discussion thread

    Every India supporter has issues regarding the ODI side. There's a problem too many. They could do with a few big changes. There are a few good things to build on. You can discuss all of them here, in this Indian ODI team discussion thread, rather than clog official threads or start a barrage of new ones. Go on. Let rip.
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    The selection theme has been overdone, so let's look at something different. The Indians will be facing the Kiwis in a triangular in Zimbabwe, so here's a plan to face the Kiwi bowlers-
    • Bond- Be careful. Don't lose wickets against him. Rotate the strike, look for singles but if he's had an off day, take a risk...
    • Oram- Smash him around the park. Bludgeon what he offers. Set a benchmark of five sixes off his bowling. In a few words, show no mercy.
    • Cairns- Watch for movement. Play with a straight bat. Run the singles, but there's always the odd buffet ball.
    • Vettori- On a tough day, take lots of singles. Don't lose a wicket against him.
    • Styris- One more target. Run lots of singles and hit the buffet ball hard.

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    My team for India ODIs:

    Sehwag
    Tendulkar
    Mongia+/Pathan
    Laxman
    Dravid(1st innings)/Ganguly(2nd)
    Ganguly(1st)/Dravid(2nd)
    Pathan/Mongia+
    Agarkar
    Kumble
    Harbhajan
    Khan

    If one of Sehwag/Sachin gets out early send in Mongia, with a more solid technique, but still able to take advantage of the restrictions.

    If they don't, and make a big partnership send in Pathan who can slog at it till he gets in, and slot Mongia in at 7.

    Dravid can play as a finisher at 6 if chasing, and can play as an orthodox No.5 if batting first.
    Or something.

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    they really need to do something about their pace bowlers, almost all of them are useless.
    and dhoni isnt anything other than very poor if you ask me, how in the world he manages to score runs sometimes i'll never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    Every India supporter has issues regarding the ODI side.
    When did I appointed you as my spokesperson ?

    Oh and so much for your support for Nehra in the other thread, He is out of your team despite taking six wickets. and Irfan is in as an allrounder.

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    Sehwag
    Sachin
    Kaif
    Mongia/Sriram/Badani/Rao (trust me, I think they will do good, any of these 3)
    Dravid
    Yuvraj
    Kaarthick (no more Indian Gilchrist, PLEASE)
    Pathan
    Harbhajan
    two out of (Nehra, Zaheer, Balaji, Agarkar, Kumble)



    And if India really want to play 5 bowlers, play Agarkar, Pathan and either Zaheer or Balaji or Nehra as the third bowler and two spinners and remove Badani/Sriram/Mongia.
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    Sehwag
    Sachin,
    Kaif,
    Yuvraj,
    Dravid(W/K and Captain),
    Sriram,
    Mongia/JPYadav,
    Pathan,
    Balaji,
    Agarkar
    Harbhajan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameee999
    If one of Sehwag/Sachin gets out early send in Mongia, with a more solid technique, but still able to take advantage of the restrictions.

    If they don't, and make a big partnership send in Pathan who can slog at it till he gets in, and slot Mongia in at 7.
    Mongia? You mean Dinesh Mongia? We're talking ODI's here. There's no way he'd fit in one. He's got a dreadful strike rate and hasn't converted his scratchy starts into big scores- a certain ODI misfit has six scores over 100, while Dinesh only has 3 over 50!
    Quote Originally Posted by honestbharani
    Kaarthick (no more Indian Gilchrist, PLEASE)
    Name one man better than Dhoni. Kaarthick? He can't hit the ball!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    they really need to do something about their pace bowlers, almost all of them are useless.
    and dhoni isnt anything other than very poor if you ask me, how in the world he manages to score runs sometimes i'll never know.
    You mention pace bowlers, but can you name any with real pace? That's always been a problem, even when they play three seamers abroad. They're all seam/swing bowlers and once the batsmen get set, it's easy to get set against them. Little wonder then, that they're at the bottom of the ODI table. If you look at the top pace attacks in international cricket in the recent past, there is at least one tearaway pacer in every attack.

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    A plan for the SL batsmen-
    • Sanath- NEVER bowl short and wide. Bowl straight and move the ball a little either way. If one has pace, blast him.
    • Marvan- Set fields in his stronger scoring areas and cut out the singles. Power pacers can blast him too.
    • Sangakkara- Likes the ball coming on the bat. Bowl straight, and use a few variations. Spinners can attack him.
    • Mahela- Bowl straight.
    • Dilshan- He has this tendency of running on a point fielder's arm. Have your best man there and set up a run-out.
    • Arnold- Attack him with a strike seamer, bowling into him.
    • Chandana- Attack. Don't give him chances to run singles.
    • Vaas- Bowl straight.
    • Tailenders- Do the basic stuff right.

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    Again, fans have done the obvious thing- post a selection. Let's have something different, shall we? Even if you make a selection, make it very different from the official ones, won't you?

    Now, Kumble's role in the ODI side is in doubt. The final in Colombo may just have signalled his exit from ODI's, so you can start looking for a new contender- not just as a fill-in for Harbhajan, but also as a partner. Let's look at these options-
    • Vidyut- More or less the best choice not just as Harbhajan's reserve, but also his partner. Rush him in!!!
    • Amit Mishra- Not the ideal choice in ODI's since he's a leggie who likes to turn the ball and looks for wickets, so he may go for more than a few runs. However, if used well, he can be quite a handful. He's a better batsman and fielder than Kumble and Karthik.
    • Rajesh Pawar- The dark horse in the race, Pawar has moved up from being an extra in the Mumbai side to Baroda's frontliner. He's not got a spectacular OD average, but he's done well in the latest Ranji season and he got the selectors' attention with his batting and fielding.
    • Ramesh Powar- Disappointing OD figures, but his performance in FC matches is very good.
    Take your pick. Ideal choices would be Vidyut in the XI and Mishra as reserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    You mention pace bowlers, but can you name any with real pace? That's always been a problem, even when they play three seamers abroad. They're all seam/swing bowlers and once the batsmen get set, it's easy to get set against them. Little wonder then, that they're at the bottom of the ODI table. If you look at the top pace attacks in international cricket in the recent past, there is at least one tearaway pacer in every attack.
    true, india really havent had too many really quick bowlers. srinath was relatively quick when he first burst on to the scene, but whatever pace he had was compensated by his lack of accuracy and his tendency to bowl too short. zaheer khan too had a bit off pace when he first came on, but he was just rubbish and injuries have only made him worse. they certainly havent had anyone who could bowl at 90+ mph perhaps ever.

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    Comments on this selection?
    • Sehwag (inner-ring catching)
    • Gambhir (outfield)
    • Kaif (cover)
    • Yuvraj (point)
    • Dhoni (WK)
    • Dravid (C, slip)
    • JP Yadav (vc, RM-new ball, outfield)
    • Vidyut (SLA, ???)/Bangar (RMF- change, inner-ring)
    • Harbhajan (OB, outfield)
    • Zaheer (LFM-new, outfield)/VR Singh (RFM-new, ???)
    • Nehra (LFM-change, inner-ring run-out)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooextracool
    true, india really havent had too many really quick bowlers. srinath was relatively quick when he first burst on to the scene, but whatever pace he had was compensated by his lack of accuracy and his tendency to bowl too short. zaheer khan too had a bit off pace when he first came on, but he was just rubbish and injuries have only made him worse. they certainly havent had anyone who could bowl at 90+ mph perhaps ever.
    With all these new experts, they can retrieve lost pace in this attack. Zaheer and Nehra were bowling in the 140's for the later part of 2002, particularly in England, SL and India. Nehra let one loose at 139 in the IndianOil Cup final, so he's getting some of it back. There is VR Singh of Punjab and Abid Nabi of unfancied J&K who are supposed to be fast if you believe these reporters, who watch more domestic matches than those five unwise clowns who pick the same team time and again. There may be many more, but the doors have to be open and they need all the support of the people in charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamee99
    Mongia+
    Or was it Nayan Mongia? He's retired.

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