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    England - Champions Trophy

    Three Squad Changes:

    OUT Paul Collingwood
    IN Rikki Clarke

    OUT Michael Vaughan
    IN Owais Shah

    OUT Craig White
    IN Dominic Cork

    Shah in for Vaughan is fair enough. I assume that White must be injured - Corky's a fair swap - but...

    Rikki Clarke Yeah, I wonder if he would be playing if he was a Durham player?

    Clarke's bowling is not up to it yet, and he's not a specialist batsman. ACADEMY? Hello... what else is it there for?.

    Let's run through the choices... Jamie Troughton, who's actually a batsman? Kyle Hogg, who can bowl? Darren Maddy, Who has performed very effectively in both disciplines this year? Bilal Shafayat or Kadeer Ali, who had taken apart the Indians in the summer?

    No. Wrong Counties. This is past a joke.

    Note - could someone else write this up as an article as I don't think that I'll be able to avoid shedloads of vitriole. Cheers...

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    I think that I mentioned the other day that a ton in the right company is worth a season of achievement.

    Last week, Derbyshire, Rod Marsh, 101* - it was very predictable.

    ODI tournament, just about fair enough. Ashes? No chance. Academy? Certainly.

    As far as me writing it up, I have seen the Surrey Bias for twenty years longer than you, Neil.

    For me, the vitriol would be accompanied by lashings of bile.

    Perhaps someone else could oblige?

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    I think that Rikki Clarke deserves his Selection, he only 20 and he impressed me with his Confident Batting

    The Squad is Wrong i would have chosen this:-

    Nasser Hussain
    Marcus Trescothick
    Graham Hick
    Owais Shah
    Ben Smith
    Nick Knight
    Alec Stewart
    Rikki Clarke
    Jemery Shape
    Ashley Giles
    Andrew Caddick
    Matthew Hoggard
    Adam Hollioake
    James Kirkley
    Ian Bell

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    Three Squad Changes:

    OUT Paul Collingwood
    IN Rikki Clarke

    OUT Michael Vaughan
    IN Owais Shah

    OUT Craig White
    IN Dominic Cork

    Shah in for Vaughan is fair enough. I assume that White must be injured - Corky's a fair swap - but...

    Rikki Clarke Yeah, I wonder if he would be playing if he was a Durham player?



    Clarke's bowling is not up to it yet, and he's not a specialist batsman. ACADEMY? Hello... what else is it there for?.

    Rikki Clarke Averages 52, not a Batsman is he

    Let's run through the choices... Jamie Troughton, who's actually a batsman? Kyle Hogg, who can bowl? Darren Maddy, Who has performed very effectively in both disciplines this year? Bilal Shafayat or Kadeer Ali, who had taken apart the Indians in the summer?

    [i]Troughton should be considered, kyle hogg has done nothing for Lancs, Kadeer Ali has not appered for Worcestershire this season Shafatyat lacks something


    No. Wrong Counties. This is past a joke.

    Note - could someone else write this up as an article as I don't think that I'll be able to avoid shedloads of vitriole. Cheers...
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    Give me a good reason for the inclusion of Jeremy Snape

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    [quoteRikki Clarke Averages 52, not a Batsman is he
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    He actually averages 26.5, so no he's not a batsman.

    If they were looking for a batsman who bowls a little, Adam Hollioake is a better bet for sure, but what about Bell, Wagh or Troughton, all as capable as Clarke with the ball, and better batsmen. Then there's Solanki, Butcher, Ealham, McGrath or, although he won't play Internationals again, Croft?

    Oh, and as for suggesting Hick and Smith, I don't think so.

    And, what does Shafayat lack. He may be a bit raw, but looks very exciting to me.

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    Ben Smith is class Batsman he is one of the leading runs scorers in the national League More then Troughton

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    Also he is 30 and it's not how many you score them it's the way you score them.

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    Thanks for saving me the reply Marc.

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    ...and is Hick still in contention for an England berth? Isn't he just a "has-been" who was actually a "never-was" and a "never-will-be"?
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    Hick is class - in lower-class cricket.

    I remember when he smashed that championship 400 - we had just gone to 4 day games - and crikey he looked good.

    He is one of those people who never quite made the transition to full-fledged test star. A couple of good knocks, a string of failures, out, recalled, a couple of good knocks ad nauseum.

    Remind you of anyone else?

    All together now....

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    Ben Smith is class but because he is 30 does not mean that he cannot play for England, A lot of Players in the past have made the debut at least 30.

    Troughton is a Very good Players but at 24 he will not get much better

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    30 is too old to start playing Internatioal Cricket, especially when you look at the current ages of the England middle order - young blood is needed in there, not another good county player who will never have a career at the highest level.

    Who was the last Englishman to make an International debut aged over 30?

    There's no way you'd push for Smith for England if he played for any other county.

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    Hick is class - in lower-class cricket.

    I remember when he smashed that championship 400 - we had just gone to 4 day games - and crikey he looked good.

    He is one of those people who never quite made the transition to full-fledged test star. A couple of good knocks, a string of failures, out, recalled, a couple of good knocks ad nauseum.

    Remind you of anyone else?

    All together now....
    Mark Ramprakash!!! :rolleyes:

    And Marc's right regarding Ben Smith. He's a solid county batsman but nothing else, and barring bubonic plague striking again he's not going to play. And even then there's Surrey U12s.

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    Ben Smith's one day average is 30.05. That doesn't warrant England consideration!

    This year it's 52.42 due to 8 not outs in 22 innings. And 10.60 in the B&H Cup.

    34.90 in 2001, and jammed around 30 the rest of the time. England? Yeah, definitely...

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