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Moments of Ingenious Captaincy

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
While I don't believe that Ponting is tactically all that much chop, what he has been pretty good with so far is in the use of his bowlers (on most occassions) - which I guess is something that you can often plan beforehand, but that part of his captaicy (as far as I can remember) has been pretty hard to fault - and was exemplified last night.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
vic_orthdox said:
While I don't believe that Ponting is tactically all that much chop, what he has been pretty good with so far is in the use of his bowlers (on most occassions) - which I guess is something that you can often plan beforehand, but that part of his captaicy (as far as I can remember) has been pretty hard to fault - and was exemplified last night.
It was faultless.

Funnily enough, so was Vaughan's.

I was seriously impressed with the proactive way in which both handled the millstones slung around their necks by the new rules, but of course Ricky Ponting's big advantage was the fact that his bowlers actually performed very well. Vaughan struggled and fought to make the best of the hand which his own team's ineptitude had dealt him on the day.

Bringing Giles on DURING a (laughingly named) Power-Play was unexpected and very interesting to say the least.
 

Scallywag

Banned
luckyeddie said:
It was faultless.

Funnily enough, so was Vaughan's.

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After three games of getting belted by the openers Vaughan handed Aus the start they wanted by opening the bowling with Gough. A very poor decision. He had other options but went for the proven failure.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Scallywag said:
After three games of getting belted by the openers Vaughan handed Aus the start they wanted by opening the bowling with Gough. A very poor decision. He had other options but went for the proven failure.
Funnily enough, I could have predicted that would be your comment.

Given that Gough was in the team, he was only there to open (pulled after 2 overs) and also to bowl at the death. If Gough's inclusion was at Vaughan's insistence, then obviously your point is valid. However, although the captain will have some input, he isn't the entire selection committee, or I could be blaming Ricky Ponting for picking Mullet, who frankly has made Darren Gough look positively brilliant.

The fact that Gilchrist was 'bowled' by Gough in the first over, however, proves that your initial argument lacks a little credence. Still, that hasn't stopped you in the past, has it?
 

Scallywag

Banned
luckyeddie said:
The fact that Gilchrist was 'bowled' by Gough in the first over, however, proves that your initial argument lacks a little credence. Still, that hasn't stopped you in the past, has it?
I was going to mention the no-ball but decided not to because when Trescothic was out to a no ball it was made very clear that had it not been a no-ball then it would not have resulted in a wicket.

So really its you who lacks a little credence.
 

Scallywag

Banned
luckyeddie said:
Funnily enough, I could have predicted that would be your comment.

Given that Gough was in the team, he was only there to open (pulled after 2 overs) and also to bowl at the death. If Gough's inclusion was at Vaughan's insistence, then obviously your point is valid. However, although the captain will have some input, he isn't the entire selection committee, or I could be blaming Ricky Ponting for picking Mullet, who frankly has made Darren Gough look positively brilliant.
I didnt blame Vaughan for picking Gough only for opening the bowling with him. Had Ponting opened with Dizzy I would question his reasons for doing so.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Well, Sourav was the one who made sure Rahul wasn't dropped during the C and U series in Australia, as he was the vice captain and convinced the then captain, Sachin. But I think both instances are mainly because they are all very good mates... Ponting and Symonds and Sourav and Rahul are all known to be good friends.
 

chipmonk

U19 Debutant
Arjuna Ranatunga installing Jayasuriya and Kaluwitharana toopen in ODI's for the 1996 World Cup, effectively turning the ODI batting stratergy known untill then "Turn on its Head".
 

Blaze

Banned
chipmonk said:
Arjuna Ranatunga installing Jayasuriya and Kaluwitharana toopen in ODI's for the 1996 World Cup, effectively turning the ODI batting stratergy known untill then "Turn on its Head".
That's when it caught on and everyone tried to copy it but it had been done before then.

For example NZ did it at the 92 world cup with Mark Greatbatch
 

simmy

International Regular
Anything and everything that Vaughan did in the Twenty20 International earlier this year.
 

Legglancer

State Regular
Blaze said:
That's when it caught on and everyone tried to copy it but it had been done before then.

For example NZ did it at the 92 world cup with Mark Greatbatch
Well NZ did not have the amount of success that Arjuna had. And it was Ranatunga who wanted both openers to be Explosive batsman. It was tried before mostly with One hitter batting with a specialist opening batsman.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Legglancer said:
Well NZ did not have the amount of success that Arjuna had. And it was Ranatunga who wanted both openers to be Explosive batsman. It was tried before mostly with One hitter batting with a specialist opening batsman.
yeah, Srikkanth was very much the 80s Greatbatch, and he opened with a specialist like Gavaskar or Shastri...
 

Scallywag

Banned
Ponting in the last ODI against England.

He completely bamboozled Vaughan into taking an extra bowler and using the supersub for a batsman. Ponting then elected to bowl so Vaughan had to drop Jones without using him to let Solanki bat.
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Scallywag said:
Ponting in the last ODI against England.

He completely bamboozled Vaughan into taking an extra bowler and using the supersub for a batsman. Ponting then elected to bowl so Vaughan had to drop Jones without using him to let Solanki bat.
Or maybe Solanki had to be used because England collapsed?
 

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