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Who will be Sehwag's temporary opening partner?

Who will pair with Sehwag in the opening slot?

  • Dheeraj Jadhav

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Gautham Gambhir

    Votes: 14 41.2%
  • Mahendra Singh Dhoni

    Votes: 9 26.5%
  • Shikhar Dhawan

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Current middle-order regulars (Dravid, Laxman, Kaif, Yuvraj)

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 5.9%

  • Total voters
    34

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Pratyush said:
Rule implementatins have been questioned before and match bans reduced.

would the rules be changed based on this? No

So its qestioning the implementation rather than the rules. Do you really think the ICC will make a ruling which is not within the rules or if the Indian board believes the ICC would?
I think the Indian board is over doing its "stand-by-Ganguly" bit.

They challenged the decision and it was heard and confirmed to be appropriate. That should have been the end of it. Mr Dalmiya (dont for a moment think he has nothing to do with it) just cant take anyone disagreeing with him.

Its not the end of the world. For sure Ganguly, if he leads again, will look at the clock in the future and for that alone this would have been a worthwhile ban.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Pratyush said:
Rule implementatins have been questioned before and match bans reduced.
This is the actual rule that's being questioned here, not the implementation of it.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
  • Gambhir- Fantastic prospect. Far the best of the whoel lot and good enough for a full-fledged opener's role in ODI's. Moreover, he blends well with Sehwag and you can expect an explosive start in the first fifteen (or so) overs. Very good on the field and a very hard runner between the wickets- he makes Sehwag run a lot harder than he ever did.
  • Jadhav- Inflated figures by tiny venues, rock-solid outfields, boundary ropes and flat pitches. Good enough to last a long time in the middle, but how well will he blend with Sehwag? Excellent short-leg fielder, but that's not the most useful of positions.
  • Dhoni- As said earlier, NO WAY! He's dreadful against a fresh, new ball.
  • Dhawan- Not seasoned for the Indian ODI side. The last thing they need is another Parthiv Patel.
  • Middle-order- None of them have the right technique to open an innings. Don't even think of it!
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
SJS said:
I think the Indian board is over doing its "stand-by-Ganguly" bit.
Yes I feel the same.

I just dont see how some one can say the Indian board is not willing to accept rules off hand like Marc did.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
marc71178 said:
This is the actual rule that's being questioned here, not the implementation of it.
Questioning of a rule would be if it is said a spcific rule is wrong and should not exist. You are mistaking questioning of implementation of a ruling for questioing of a rule.
 

adharcric

International Coach
Arjun said:
  • Gambhir- Fantastic prospect. Far the best of the whoel lot and good enough for a full-fledged opener's role in ODI's. Moreover, he blends well with Sehwag and you can expect an explosive start in the first fifteen (or so) overs. Very good on the field and a very hard runner between the wickets- he makes Sehwag run a lot harder than he ever did.
  • Jadhav- Inflated figures by tiny venues, rock-solid outfields, boundary ropes and flat pitches. Good enough to last a long time in the middle, but how well will he blend with Sehwag? Excellent short-leg fielder, but that's not the most useful of positions.
  • Dhoni- As said earlier, NO WAY! He's dreadful against a fresh, new ball.
  • Dhawan- Not seasoned for the Indian ODI side. The last thing they need is another Parthiv Patel.
  • Middle-order- None of them have the right technique to open an innings. Don't even think of it!
Agreed for the most part. I recall your being a supporter of JP Yadav (or another all-rounder) being in the playing eleven in the past. If Gambhir opens and Laxman returns (he didnt do much to be dropped last time), the team might look something like:
Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Laxman/Kaif/Yuvraj (2), Dhoni, Yadav, Pathan, Harbhajan, Zaheer, Nehra .. would you drop laxman, kaif or yuvraj?
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
adharcric said:
Agreed for the most part. I recall your being a supporter of JP Yadav (or another all-rounder) being in the playing eleven in the past. If Gambhir opens and Laxman returns (he didnt do much to be dropped last time), the team might look something like:
Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Laxman/Kaif/Yuvraj (2), Dhoni, Yadav, Pathan, Harbhajan, Zaheer, Nehra .. would you drop laxman, kaif or yuvraj?
The opener discussion has been going on for ages, so we need to look at other aspects of the ODI team. For instance, why not pick combinations instead of individuals?
  • Sehwag and Gambhir would make a better opening pair than Sehwag and Ganguly.
  • Tendulkar would be more useful at number four (when fit) in place of a struggling Yuvraj Singh.
  • Dravid can handle the final overs far better than the underpowered Mohammed Kaif.
  • A combination of Zaheer and Pathan followed by Balaji can do better than Balaji and Nehra followed by Zaheer.
  • Harbhajan can do better with a spin partner than on his own.
  • Positions seven and eight should only have hard hitters
  • All eleven players should be fully functional on the field.

Why not pick two bowling all-rounders in place of one bowler and one batsman? At this stage, it's not a bad idea. You can pick three specialists (Zaheer/Nehra/Balaji/Bhandari/Harbhajan/Pawar) and two all-rounders (Powar/Yadav/Bangar), along with five batsmen and MS Dhoni. The two all-rounders can occupy positions seven and eight.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Ideal bowling combinations:
  • Zaheer/Yadav/Nehra/Harbhajan/Powar
  • Zaheer/Bhandari/Yadav/Harbhajan/Powar
  • Zaheer/Yadav/Nehra/Bhandari/Powar
  • Zaheer/Yadav/Bangar/Nehra/Harbhajan
NEW BALL: Zaheer, Yadav, Bhandari, Gagandeep
OLD BALL: Nehra, Yadav, Balaji, Bhandari
SPIN OPTIONS: Harbhajan, Powar, Pawar, Vidyut
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Some have doubts over picking Ramesh Powar, so what's your opinion of Vidyut S? He bowls left-arm spin, so you won't have to worry about two offies (but we've also seen three seamers of the same arm!) in the attack. However, he's playing more as a regular opener and restrictive bowler, so if he makes his India debut, he'll have to play as a frontline bowler and hard hitter.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
My opinion on all of these untested guys is the same. It is too much of a risk to be picking them ahead of guys who have proved themselves. But if someone has to be blooded, I would probably pick Powar ahead of Vidyut.
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Arjun said:
Harbhajan can do better with a spin partner than on his own.
spin partner isn't really all that relevant in a 50 over match......more often than not, a second specialist spinner is a luxury that india can't afford in one dayers.....
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Jono said:
Woudln't Powar be perfect for a super-sub position?
Forget super-sub, play him as a frontline spinner.
honestbharani said:
My opinion on all of these untested guys is the same. It is too much of a risk to be picking them ahead of guys who have proved themselves. But if someone has to be blooded, I would probably pick Powar ahead of Vidyut.
Forget the individuals. Look at the team. They have not proven themselves, and have won just two major ODI series in five years. The current plan is obsolete, redundant and useless, and the more changes that can be done, the better. They have not gained anything as they are, and won't lose anything if there are changes.

Powar v/s Vidyut-
  • Powar is a frontline spinner, while Vidyut has become a part-timer, but has had to bowl a lot more given the lack of penetration in the TN attack, though he is a very good spinner himself.
  • Powar just hits the ball at numbers seven, eight and nine, while Vidyut is becoming more of a classical opener, though he still hits the ball hard.
  • Powar is an offie, while Vidyut bowls slow-left-arm.
  • Vidyut has better list-A all-round figures, though he's got less than a wicket a match.
Anil said:
spin partner isn't really all that relevant in a 50 over match......more often than not, a second specialist spinner is a luxury that india can't afford in one dayers.....
Three medium-pacers are just as much of a liablity as two spinners. However, the real problem is the lack of a fifth bowler. There is absolutely no consistency in what they bowl, and they rely more on luck than skill to get wickets, and have many opposition batsmen licking their lips. On flat pitches, they are an obvious weak link. At this stage, they can afford to play three seamers AND towo spinners, but two of these five options should score runs as well, and there are a few options who can.
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Arjun said:
Why not pick two bowling all-rounders in place of one bowler and one batsman? At this stage, it's not a bad idea. You can pick three specialists (Zaheer/Nehra/Balaji/Bhandari/Harbhajan/Pawar) and two all-rounders (Powar/Yadav/Bangar), along with five batsmen and MS Dhoni. The two all-rounders can occupy positions seven and eight
Massive risk leaving 20 overs to two "bowling all-rounders".
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Well, guys like Sachin, Sehwag and Sourav can contribute with the ball two... The way I see it is that, if such a side were to be picked (and I am not sure of it as yet), then the two 'allrounders' would bowl about 14 or 15 of the 20 and the other 5 can be shared by two of those 3.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
vic_orthdox said:
Massive risk leaving 20 overs to two "bowling all-rounders".
Given the current form of all the bowlers in the Indian side, including the bits-and-pieces brigade, it's no risk at all.
honestbharani said:
the two 'allrounders' would bowl about 14 or 15 of the 20 and the other 5 can be shared by two of those 3
Maybe....but it's better if they got their full 20 overs very often. You have Balaji bowling at least 8 overs a match and given his average (well over 30), there's no reason why the likes of Bangar, Yadav, Powar or Vidyut shouldn't.
 

adharcric

International Coach
I'd like to see Yadav and Powar in the team sometime soon. Yadav has been awesome in the domestic circuit lately; Powar took many wickets against India's top domestic players in a series earlier this year (not sure if it was duleep, deodhar or challenger) and had some poise when he played against Pak last year in that glorious series. I think Zaheer and Nehra are the deadliest seamers at the time, while Pathan also seems to be coming back into form. Yadav and Powar could both be included, but to have the 3 big lefty seamers and Harbhajan in there, one of them needs to be left out.

Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Kaif, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Yadav, Powar, Pathan, Harbhajan, Khan
now that looks like a solid lineup to me, batsmen all along, sharp fielders all along, pathan and khan open the bowling, followed by yadav and the spinners, with sehwag/yuvi to provide emergency relief.
 

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