A prediction !!

[marc71178]

absolutely Lee can never be termed has a brilliant back up to the main 4 aussie bowlers, he is definately the next in line

Which is exactly the point we're trying to make.

He's next in line with a record like that, doesn't say much for the other reserves does it?

 

[aussie]

He's been bowling like that all the time in ODIs though, and never been able to turn it into Test performance, so why should that change now?

the big difference that i have seen is in his control, when he took all those wickets in the WC & the VB series before that his control was nothing like it was this season. Thats whats influencing my belief that he could successful at test level now.

Come marc the day will come when he will be able to relate some of his ODI form into test cricket, dont make it sound has if he will remain superb in ODI'S & poor in test cricket.

 

[aussie]

Which is exactly the point we're trying to make.

He's next in line with a record like that, doesn't say much for the other reserves does it?

haha not really, the thing is that the reserves are good and people used to think like me that they could fill the legendary shoes of McGrath & Warne, but after what happened with India in 2003/04 well....... i realised that wasn't the case

 

[Mister Wright]

the big difference that i have seen is in his control, when he took all those wickets in the WC & the VB series before that his control was nothing like it was this season. Thats whats influencing my belief that he could successful at test level now.

Come marc the day will come when he will be able to relate some of his ODI form into test cricket, dont make it sound has if he will remain superb in ODI'S & poor in test cricket.

C'mon man. Lee has proven time and time again that his pace is not threatening at test level. When teams have to score quickly in ODIs that is when it becomes a threat, but in tests they can leave as many as they like, and pounce on the bad balls, which are too frequent, he gets tired too easy and then the batsman capitalise. Since his initial 'explosion' onto the scene he has been pretty much easy to handle at test level.

 

[King_Ponting]

I still think that England would rather have Kaspa in the test team rather than Lee. If Lee does well in the two one day series before the ashes i wouldn't be too suprised if there were calls to axe the consistent Kaspa, unfairly.

 

[Mister Wright]

I still think that England would rather have Kaspa in the test team rather than Lee. If Lee does well in the two one day series before the ashes i wouldn't be too suprised if there were calls to axe the consistent Kaspa, unfairly.

The selectors have shown a reluctance to drop players who are performing (unless the pitch situations determine otherwise). There were calls for Lee to play in Perth and Kaspa got 5 wickets, and there were calls for Lee to play in NZ we ended up flogging them, with a lot of help from Kaspa, he shouldn't be dropped. He didn't play for almost a decade while other bowlers who were way worse than him played, its his time, let him have it he deserves it.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

C'mon man. Lee has proven time and time again that his pace is not threatening at test level. When teams have to score quickly in ODIs that is when it becomes a threat, but in tests they can leave as many as they like, and pounce on the bad balls, which are too frequent, he gets tired too easy and then the batsman capitalise. Since his initial 'explosion' onto the scene he has been pretty much easy to handle at test level.

Hey, I agreed with you until the most recent summer, but I think Lee is bowling completely differently now. With his awesome ODI form, the fact that he has improved on a lot of the problem areas that were holding him back in test cricket before, and the fact that, on occasions such as the first test in New Zealand, Australia's attack sometimes looks a bit one-dimensional, I think he deserves another shot.

Unfortunately I think the selectors missed the boat a bit when they didn't pick him in New Zealand, which was the best point to do it. It would have given him some much needed match practice before the Ashes and allowed him to show that he had improved in test cricket. I'm not sure inserting him straight into the Ashes is the best move now, simply because it's such a harsh trial by fire. As it stands I would probably stay with Kasprowicz unless he continues to struggle a bit in the first couple of Ashes tests.

 

[King_Ponting]

Im not disputing that Kaspa deserves his spot in the team. Kaspa has been one of Australias most consistent bowlers since his return to the international level in Tests and shouldnt be dropped. IMO the support for Lee might gain momentum if he has a good 2 one day series before the ashes and with Merv Hughes now on the selectors panel... Big Mervy mite decide that more firepower is required to blast England out and therefore select Lee ahead of Kaspa

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

The selectors have shown a reluctance to drop players who are performing (unless the pitch situations determine otherwise). There were calls for Lee to play in Perth and Kaspa got 5 wickets, and there were calls for Lee to play in NZ we ended up flogging them, with a lot of help from Kaspa, he shouldn't be dropped. He didn't play for almost a decade while other bowlers who were way worse than him played, its his time, let him have it he deserves it.

Kasprowicz bowled one good spell in New Zealand. Aside from that he was fairly average. Not poor exactly, but generally unpenetrative, as was Gillespie.

 

[Mister Wright]

Im not disputing that Kaspa deserves his spot in the team. Kaspa has been one of Australias most consistent bowlers since his return to the international level in Tests and shouldnt be dropped. IMO the support for Lee might gain momentum if he has a good 2 one day series before the ashes and with Merv Hughes now on the selectors panel... Big Mervy mite decide that more firepower is required to blast England out and therefore select Lee ahead of Kaspa

Merv isn't the only selector on the panel, there are 4 of them there. 3 who have stuck by Kaspa.

 

[Mister Wright]

Kasprowicz bowled one good spell in New Zealand. Aside from that he was fairly average. Not poor exactly, but generally unpenetrative, as was Gillespie.

That's one more good spell than Lee has bowled in his last 15 test matches...

You can't read too much into Kaspa's stats from that New Zealand tour. He had a lot of close chances and a few dropped catches, which didn't make it easy on him. Also when McGrath & Warne take 7-8 wickets an innings, it doesn't leave much for the rest. Plus Kaspa is a specialist with the old ball. If you have McGrath, Gillespie & Lee as your pace attack, you really (with the exception of McGrath) don't have that gile with the old ball.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

That's one more good spell than Lee has bowled in his last 15 test matches...

You can't read too much into Kaspa's stats from that New Zealand tour. He had a lot of close chances and a few dropped catches, which didn't make it easy on him. Also when McGrath & Warne take 7-8 wickets an innings, it doesn't leave much for the rest.

Lee's bowled a bunch of good spells in his last 15 matches (the first morning at Sydney against England springs to mind), he just hasn't done it anywhere near as consistently enough, although I believe he can now.

And I'm not really talking about Kasprowicz's stats, so much as what I saw from him, which was that he just didn't trouble the batsmen that much. He bowled decently, but not that well. I can see him having some success against England, though.

 

[King_Ponting]

Kaspa's slower ball or off cutter will have a big impact on those england green tops.

 

[marc71178]

Come marc the day will come when he will be able to relate some of his ODI form into test cricket, dont make it sound has if he will remain superb in ODI'S & poor in test cricket.

6 years of it happening suggests it can easily continue.

 

[marc71178]

haha not really, the thing is that the reserves are good

No, the reserves are unproven, and no repeated listing of their names saying "they're all great" will change that.

 

[marc71178]

I still think that England would rather have Kaspa in the test team rather than Lee.

Not a chance.

 

[marc71178]

Lee's bowled a bunch of good spells in his last 15 matches (the first morning at Sydney against England springs to mind), he just hasn't done it anywhere near as consistently enough, although I believe he can now.

If he's bowled a bunch of good spells, he must also have bowled complete garbage then.

Over his last 15 games his average is 38.43 (remarkably similar to that over his last 30 games)

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

If he's bowled a bunch of good spells, he must also have bowled complete garbage then.

Over his last 15 games his average is 38.43 (remarkably similar to that over his last 30 games)

Err yes, he has. Where did I deny that?

As I said until recently I was not a fan of Lee at all at test level.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

No, the reserves are unproven, and no repeated listing of their names saying "they're all great" will change that.

Of course they are unproven. They are RESERVES.

 

[marc71178]

The problem is, some of your compatriots think they can just list they're names and say "they're better than any other Test reserves anywhere, we won't have a problem when we need to call on them"