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Domestic limited-overs system in India

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Many fans continue to ask one another and the experts, "What's wrong with the Indian one-day team? Why is a team with so many star players at the bottom of the table? Why is a side with so much talent struggling to win ODI tournaments?" Quite frankly, the Indian ODI side is never likely to become a force to reckon with if the BCCI, more keen on trying to make a lot of noise to show who's boss, don't look at the domestic limited-overs system in India, which is badly flawed.

Look at the Ranji-OD series. You find the competition initially divided into five zones, which will give the stronger zonal sides an easy advantage. This is exploited by teams in zones where there are just one or two strong teams. Consequently, the all-India phase of this series has top teams from weaker zones making the grade ahead of teams stronger than them who are only second-best in stronger zones.

When are the matches held? These matches were held in the earlier part of the year, and consequently, more than a few matches in the northern and eastern regions were washed out due to rain or cut short due to bad light. To make things worse, the all-India phase was held in Mumbai, when it was so hot the conditions were difficult for positive, attacking cricket, and the players were tired throughout the series. As usual, they were held when the national side players were not available- at the most crucial phase.

Where do they play the matches? Since they try to finish off as many matches as possible in little time, you find three matches played on one day. They try to minimise on travelling costs, so they're held in the same city. Consequently, all the matches have to be played in tiny club and college grounds. Is this the way to prepare your future ODI players? For matches to play in big grounds? To add, all the matches are still played during the with the red ball day, when ODI's are played with a white ball, often at night.

The Deodhar trophy should be the premier limited-overs tournament in the country. The top players from all five zones face one another, so they have to have the country's top players (that is, the starting lineup players from the Indian side) in the teams, and the selectors must take interest in the events. This too is played during the day, on a few club grounds or former ODI venues which are not even used these days. Then you have the Challenger Trophy, which seems to emphasise far too much on individual performances than those of the team. And the pitches? Flat. Absolutely flat, and the fast outfields help gentle touches go for fours and the small grounds make it even easier to hit sixes without doing much. Spare a thought for the bowlers, who have to suffer in many run-fests in these matches.

It's time things change. Any change here can only be for the better. First of all, they may consider revamping the groupings for the Ranji OD trophy, as they did for the first-class structure. An alternative can be a change in only the all-India phase, which will feature the top 8 sides from all over India, regardless of which zone they're from. Thus, performances in one zone can affect the overall position of any team in another zone. They should hold these matches when the national team is out of action, so that the frontliners are available. Climatic conditions should also be considered, so that it's not too hot or rainy or dim to play. In other words, they shouldn't hold the matches in places like Himachal or Orissa.

All matches should be played in premier grounds such as Eden Gardens, Kotla or W'hede, must use the white ball, and there should be more D/N fixtures. The pitche should suit everyone, batsmen and bowlers, and there should be a variety in the kind of pitches laid. Outfields should be softer, encouraging attacking fielding and making it harder to hit the boundaries. This way, fielders can slide and dive more, while batsmen have to hit the ball harder, get their timing right and run more between wickets. Performances in the Deodhar trophy should determine the selection of the ODI side, while the Challenger series should have the frontline Indian side palying against two teams of reserves.

Most importantly, the system should be marketed properly. The system not only needs more improvements, it also needs fans- after all, they support the Indian team in large numbers, thus keeping the system going. That makes their support equally vital for domestic cricket. And please, give the matches some serious TV coverage!
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
hit the nail on the head. Its about time we had a bit national league with colored clothings, floodlights, stars and good TV coverage.....
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
It's not just marketing that's needed- the whole system has to be reorganised, so that it prepares players for the standard ODI format.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
What's with all of you? Where's the feedback? With so much talk about the Indian ODI side, why are you all so silent now?
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
A note on the Challenger and other OD series in India- Bowlers like SS Paul, RR Bose, Gagandeep, Yusuf Pathan and Joginder Sharma had a good run in the ROD and Deodhar series, where they bowled in the day, with a red ball. All these bowlers struggled with the white ball, under lights. Proof enough that OD's are not run properly in the country.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I think it also applies to someone like Balaji, who kinda made a name for himself with red balls and is now struggling with white balls.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Balaji has done rather well in the Challenger tournament, where white balls are used. He's taken five wickets in an innings twice.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
IMO the key is the expansion of something like Deodhar Trophy, if you look at Australia the strength to their domestic OD step up is that fact that the top players are separtated into just 6 sides. Also look at the improvements in the South Africa ODI side since they reduced the amount of team to just six. The Ranji OD Series has too many teams and doesn't allow the top players to play together and aganist each regularly enough.

But even if they expand the Deodhar Trophy and play D/N games, have coloured uniforms that doesn't mean you will get crowds. The best way IMO to get crowds is to have a competition that has domestic teams from Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka. The national support for the various countires could get crowds to turn up. Also this might improve the standard of competition and increase the variety in pitches.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
The system needs the Ranji Trophy as it is, so that they can cover the whole of India to find the top players. They can then shortlist the top 15 in each zone for the inter-zonal events, then the top performers here get into the A-team/tour match sides, while some exceptional performers may be on the threshold of national selection rightaway. The purpose of having so many teams is to cast the net wide. moreover, there is a classification of Elite and Plate sides, thus making competition tougher.

There won't be too many crowds if the game is not marketed well. The 20-ver competition in Pakistan was marketed well, so there were larger crowds than there were for ODI's between Pakistan and India. They don't need forein teams for that purpose- anyway, they have a foreign entry each year for the Duleep Trophy (EDIT- They can try to get them for Deodhar as well). Fans like the colourful format of one-day cricket, which is why they may be turned off by the colourless, drab image of domestic OD's, even more so with pathetic television coverage. Give the game a facelift, market it well, and fans will start assembling in large numbers.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
What im saying is that the Ranji Trophy, Preimer Tournment(SL) and the Patrons Cup (PAK) all stay in place, with this type tournment taking place at the same time. The top players from each of these countries take part in the 12 Team Championship and then the second string players take part in the various national championships. This way you can spread the net wide as well as allow the top players to play a higher quailty of cricket. The Ranji Trophy has 15 Teams, which is too many teams as it spreads the talent pool too far.

For India, Pakistan or Sri Lanka to continually stay at the top of ODI or even Test Cricket, players need a higher quality of cricket at home which Ranji, Preimer or Patrons don't provide. Pakistan and Sri Lanka may be near the top of ODIs but how long are they going to stay there.

Their no doubt that to get crowds you need marketing and TV courage, but the more important thing is the standard of cricket. If the ROD got more marketed and got TV courage, would that improve the standard of cricket, and therefore improve the standard of the national team, NO it wouldn't.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
chaminda_00 said:
For India, Pakistan or Sri Lanka to continually stay at the top of ODI or even Test Cricket, players need a higher quality of cricket at home which Ranji, Preimer or Patrons don't provide. Pakistan and Sri Lanka may be near the top of ODIs but how long are they going to stay there.

Their no doubt that to get crowds you need marketing and TV courage, but the more important thing is the standard of cricket. If the ROD got more marketed and got TV courage, would that improve the standard of cricket, and therefore improve the standard of the national team, NO it wouldn't.
You're missing out on one very important aspect- organisation. The standard of the game cannot improve much if the organsation is flawed. That's what I tried to highlight throughout this article- the flawed organisation of domestic OD series in India. Here are a few consequences-
  1. The ROD- North Zone matches were played in Nadaun, Una and Dharmashala. Someone may ask- where, or rather, what, are Nadaun and Una? Even if you do find out (Dharmashala is relatively famous), all three are places in Himachal Pradesh, a hilly state in India. You have premier OD matches in hillstations- making them susceptible to interruptions by rain, hil, bad light (no floodlights), wind or even snow! Transportation within those areas is a headache. All of these would be eliminated if the matches took place in Delhi, Gurgaon or Chandigarh.
  2. The grounds picked are used by clubs or colleges. They're very small, the boundaries are roped and the outfields are rock-hard. And of course, the pitches are flat. Not only does fielding become difficult, some batsmen who don't have the strength, technique or timing to hit fours and sixes thick and fast, is doing it easily- Parthiv Patel is a hero in therse matches.
  3. If you have the national team players playing for their ROD sides, the game becomes more competitive, and the youngsters learn more.
  4. Mumbai is very hot in April, and the heat can be unforgiving. Yet you have two matches nearly every day in the all-India phase of ROD. What made the schedule more ill-timed was that the India/Pakistan ODI series was on, which is why the teams had to field relatively weak sides.
The same problems may exist in Pakistan and Sri Lanka as well. If the series was organised better, none of these would have happened. Look at Australia's domestic cricket scene. It is closed, yet the standard is very high. Not only is it organised properly, but national team players often turn up for their sides. And of course, it is marketed well. Even the 20-over series in Pakistan had Shoaib Malik (that match-throwing episode notwithstanding) and Shoaib Akhtar in the series.

You can have this participation of a top domestic side or academy side from another country in the Deodhar or Duleep Trophy, or even something like the Kenstar A-team tournament, where reserve teams of different countries come together for a tournament. But all these tournaments need funds to run, which is why they need fans. The Indian team has a very large fan followign. These fans need to be attracted to the domestic events for their success.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I think there should be a full fledged national OD league.... with all teams playing each other home and away, just like the Ranji Trophy (elite and plate). The top performers from this league can graduate to the Deodhar Trophy (Duleep for the longer version) and from there to the A or the national sides... Important thing is to have colored clothing, white balls, as many D/N matches as possible. Plus a 20/20 competition won't be bad... It would make the domestic players a bit more famous and thus give the fans a bit more reason to watch the Ranji first class and OD games...
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Well i do get what ur saying but even if the ROD is marketed and organised proper you wont get a high enough standard of competition to provide a suffient benefit to the national team. Wasn't that the original consern of you for the India domestic OD cricket. With 15 teams in the ROD the top players are spread across too many teams even if the national players play. Also in Australia the international players really play in the domestic competition. Glen McGrath hasn't played a FC game for NSW in like over 4 years. The guys that play both Test and ODIs cricket hardly play any games. I think most of them only played 1 ING game last year.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Well i do get what ur saying but even if the ROD is marketed and organised proper you wont get a high enough standard of competition to provide a suffient benefit to the national team.
That standard will improve if you have the Tendulkars, the Dravids, the Sehwags playing in the league. I can't say much about what happens in Australia, but slight rescheduling of matches can help a lot. The game will not only be more competitive, but making these Ranji/ROD sides will be even tougher, and the youngsters will learn a lot in the company of the stars, and will get used to playing against them. That's what made Mumbai a strong domestic side for several years, but now that Tendulkar hardly turns up for Mumbai matches, there's not much that youngsters like Vinit Indulkar can learn.

First, let there be a healthy environment for the game to develop. Club grounds and hillstation venues won't produce good cricket, nor will matches played in the peak of summer in southern venues. The result will be the opposite. Then look at BCBXI- they had a match somewhere in the central part of India, then it was shifted to Delhi. At one stage, the match was called off before it ended! Proper organisation helps promote quality cricket.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
a 20/20 competition won't be bad
The current format favours the bowlers too heavily. It should be modified (the 20-over game is a modified form of the limited-overs game), so that the bowlers (particularly the fastest ones) get an edge- such as making high-bounce pitches, or using lighter balls, and giving these bowlers a licence to go flat-out for pace.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Arjun said:
The current format favours the bowlers too heavily. It should be modified (the 20-over game is a modified form of the limited-overs game), so that the bowlers (particularly the fastest ones) get an edge- such as making high-bounce pitches, or using lighter balls, and giving these bowlers a licence to go flat-out for pace.
No, I meant that it could be used as a way to get the domestic players noticed, so that the fans would have a reason to watch Ranji cricket, even if the international stars aren't available at that time.
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Arjun said:
That standard will improve if you have the Tendulkars, the Dravids, the Sehwags playing in the league. I can't say much about what happens in Australia, but slight rescheduling of matches can help a lot. The game will not only be more competitive, but making these Ranji/ROD sides will be even tougher, and the youngsters will learn a lot in the company of the stars, and will get used to playing against them. That's what made Mumbai a strong domestic side for several years, but now that Tendulkar hardly turns up for Mumbai matches, there's not much that youngsters like Vinit Indulkar can learn.
If you want a proper home and away tournment then there is next to no chance to get the international players to play more then one or two games. All around the world international players hardly play any domestic cricket. Guys like Vinut Indukar can learn how to play high quality cricket play playing regular matches aganist and with guys like Rohan Gavaskar, Siriam etc. Just like young guys in Australia, South Africa and other countries learn how to play better cricket with 'A' Players around them, not international players.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
If you want a proper home and away tournment then there is next to no chance to get the international players to play more then one or two games.
The international palyers just need to play the matches that matter, not all of them. Look at what's happening in the England domestic scene- you find Trescothick opening the batting for Somerset, Harmison opening the bowling for Durham and Flintoff in a full all-round role for Lancs. Of course, there can only be one reason- the Ashes, but then, you have a lot of activity this time, so it's not too bad.
honestbharani said:
No, I meant that it could be used as a way to get the domestic players noticed, so that the fans would have a reason to watch Ranji cricket, even if the international stars aren't available at that time.
Let the fans watch good cricket, be it 20-20 or 50-50, the one-dayer or four-dayer. Moreover, 50% of the fans ridicule this format of the game, and brand it a mere slogfest which produces downmarket Shahid Afridi clones. That's how it is in its present form. Fans know rather well that the bowling needs to improve, but such events only work against the purpose. Modify the game a little, give the bowlers an edge, and fans will start following the game. If you have the Pakistani 20-over game getting full stands and top-quality coverage by Ten Sports, why can't domestic matches in India?
 

chaminda_00

Hall of Fame Member
Arjun said:
The international palyers just need to play the matches that matter, not all of them. Look at what's happening in the England domestic scene- you find Trescothick opening the batting for Somerset, Harmison opening the bowling for Durham and Flintoff in a full all-round role for Lancs. Of course, there can only be one reason- the Ashes, but then, you have a lot of activity this time, so it's not too bad.
Well they maybe playing in the first month but after the Bangladesh Test Series starts they will play next to no domestic cricket all season. Last season James Anderson who hardly played a Test last summer only played 4 FC games all season. It near impossible with the current international shedule to get international players to play more then a couple domestic games a season. Even NSW couldn't get Brett Lee to play a Pura Cup game last season even thoough he was 12th Man all season like Anderson, we couldn't even et him to play the final, a match that matters.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Times of India readers must have read articles suggesting the 20-over game for Indian domestic cricket. So far, they think Ahmedabad, Mumbai, Kolkata, Kanpur and Bangalore are good for 20-over matches, but are skeptical about Pune. They think it will be a shot in the arm for Indian domestic cricket. What do you think? As long as it's better than the ridiculous Ranji-OD series, where extras make up the starting lineup (the experts recommend adequate star presence) it can't be too bad.
 

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