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Ashes
- Thread starter scorpio
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Regarding McGrath:
his biggest weapon is not a wicked bouncer or a swinging yorker or searing pace.
It is his amzing consistency and patience. He just keeps pegging away on and just outside offstump and moves it just a shade making the batsman try to take the initiative and make a mistake.
The best way to counter him would be to out-think him by being more patient. Unless you are Laxman or sachin...you better play him with respect ...the man's got the performance to back him.
His major tactic is strangling the batsman...i rarely see him concede a lot of runs...but when u leave all his balls outside the offstump it makes him try to bowl more on the stumps to force the batsman to play
This opens up the chance of him strayin to leg and the batsman getting a chance to work him to midwicket.
If he concedes a boundary once every two overs then the pressure will get to him and he will try to compensate by trying something new...but usually the batsmen become impateint...try to wrest the initiative and mostly lose out.
This is something you will never see with waqar(Of old), akram, gillespie, lee, akhtar, donald and co.
Mcgrath in my opinion doest have a single banzai wicket takin delivery a la waqar, wasim or donald. (NOT being harsh here...hope you get my drift)
His weapons are patience, consistency, Bounce,close to the wicket. Take away the first two..he will be a much diff bowler.
kiwis showed how effective it is. may be if some one else does we will have confirmation.
[Edited on 8/30/02 by scorpio]
Regarding McGrath:
his biggest weapon is not a wicked bouncer or a swinging yorker or searing pace.
It is his amzing consistency and patience. He just keeps pegging away on and just outside offstump and moves it just a shade making the batsman try to take the initiative and make a mistake.
The best way to counter him would be to out-think him by being more patient. Unless you are Laxman or sachin...you better play him with respect ...the man's got the performance to back him.
His major tactic is strangling the batsman...i rarely see him concede a lot of runs...but when u leave all his balls outside the offstump it makes him try to bowl more on the stumps to force the batsman to play
This opens up the chance of him strayin to leg and the batsman getting a chance to work him to midwicket.
If he concedes a boundary once every two overs then the pressure will get to him and he will try to compensate by trying something new...but usually the batsmen become impateint...try to wrest the initiative and mostly lose out.
This is something you will never see with waqar(Of old), akram, gillespie, lee, akhtar, donald and co.
Mcgrath in my opinion doest have a single banzai wicket takin delivery a la waqar, wasim or donald. (NOT being harsh here...hope you get my drift)
His weapons are patience, consistency, Bounce,close to the wicket. Take away the first two..he will be a much diff bowler.
kiwis showed how effective it is. may be if some one else does we will have confirmation.
[Edited on 8/30/02 by scorpio]
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
Definites (if fit)
Hussain - captain
Trescothick
Vaughan - established openers
Butcher - much as I don't rate him, he's in form
Gough - best bowler
Hoggard - can swing it a lot when in form
Flintoff - we have no other all rounders
Probables
Crawley - has played himself back in
Stewart - fantastic form, but we don't want to leave ourselves with no-one when he quits
Caddick - doesn't travel well, except to NZ
Giles - no other spinners...
Ramprakash - *cough*
Tudor - *cough*
Key - learning
White - competent with both aspects
Possibles - plus a few wildcards
Read
Foster - future keepers
Fulton - I'll keep saying it
Knight - averaging 90+ this year. "not a test player"
Thorpe - "sabbatical" issues
Bell - potential
Blackwell - in ODI Trophy squad, for the future
Kadeer Ali
Shafayat
Hogg - impressive for U19s
Harmison
Jones - impressive debuts, but the "wrong" counties
Cork - sorry, but it's over
Maddy - hot form
Kabir Ali
Dean
Saggers - fantastic seasons (again, Martin..)
Dawson
Graeme Swann
Jason Brown
Salisbury - a few spinners - we're screwed in sydney
Hussain - captain
Trescothick
Vaughan - established openers
Butcher - much as I don't rate him, he's in form
Gough - best bowler
Hoggard - can swing it a lot when in form
Flintoff - we have no other all rounders
Probables
Crawley - has played himself back in
Stewart - fantastic form, but we don't want to leave ourselves with no-one when he quits
Caddick - doesn't travel well, except to NZ
Giles - no other spinners...
Ramprakash - *cough*
Tudor - *cough*
Key - learning
White - competent with both aspects
Possibles - plus a few wildcards
Read
Foster - future keepers
Fulton - I'll keep saying it
Knight - averaging 90+ this year. "not a test player"
Thorpe - "sabbatical" issues
Bell - potential
Blackwell - in ODI Trophy squad, for the future
Kadeer Ali
Shafayat
Hogg - impressive for U19s
Harmison
Jones - impressive debuts, but the "wrong" counties
Cork - sorry, but it's over
Maddy - hot form
Kabir Ali
Dean
Saggers - fantastic seasons (again, Martin..)
Dawson
Graeme Swann
Jason Brown
Salisbury - a few spinners - we're screwed in sydney
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Personal attacks are just what I would expect. Don't do it - it is not the right thing to do.
Putting a smiling emoticon at the end of it doesn't make it funny (although you seem to think that it is). I'm just not bothered about anything you say any more, because you are so very predictable.
How is that a personal attack ? I asked if where u went and why i didnt get a reply on a topic you are so passionate abt..
It was just a sarcastic remark.
Oh wait ...tht was very personal and insulting...let me put it this way..hope u are not offended.
Mr LuckyEddie :
Dear sir,
Can i have your esteemed opinion about my post about cork.
Ohhh no...now i am asking you to reply to my post...how rude..how dare i ?
Shall i grovel now ?
Haha...riight.
get over yourself and try to respond to my arguments with some facts instead of complaining...
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Sorry I misinterpreted your statements. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion.
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
And back to the subject of the Ashes...
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
Good... 
Caddick seems to be able to play on pitches that suit him or where he feels at home (England, NZ - eg Headingley 00). But travelling he hasn't succeeded at all.
He'll go, and probably fail. Hope I'm wrong..
Caddick seems to be able to play on pitches that suit him or where he feels at home (England, NZ - eg Headingley 00). But travelling he hasn't succeeded at all.
He'll go, and probably fail. Hope I'm wrong..
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
I'm not sure that he's in the mental state to cope with an Ashes tour. If it was to somewhere like Zimbabwe, Kenya or Bangladesh then yes, but I don't think he will cut it with the mental side of things.
i.e. The Aussies will murder him with sledging
i.e. The Aussies will murder him with sledging
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
I don't think they would need to get personal - I don't think that mentally he'd be up to withstanding much at all.
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
You mean adept 
I think spending the winter playing state cricket in Australia/NZ/W.Indies/S.Africa/Zimbabwe would be more productive for him, though.
I think spending the winter playing state cricket in Australia/NZ/W.Indies/S.Africa/Zimbabwe would be more productive for him, though.
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
I'm afraid that you may well be right, Tenchi... 
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!This is the only website where I have actually seen the name 'Dean' used in the same phrase as the word 'Australia'.
This season, he and Cork up the road have been devastating in county cricket, but I think that a place on the Ashes tour will not happen for him. Possibly a winter at the Academy would be a good thing - there hasn't really been an effective left-arm seamer for England in recent years with (perhaps) the exception af Alan Mullally.
Regarding Mr Cork, the England selectors do not seem to be able to make up their minds whether he is still an England player or not. This dilemma appears to be shared by several of the regular contributors to this site.
Against India at Trent Brige Cork had a couple of spells when he was awful and a couple of spells when he was almost unplayable. This tends to be the gentleman's problem - a perception of inconsistency which will forever follow him around.
This season, he and Cork up the road have been devastating in county cricket, but I think that a place on the Ashes tour will not happen for him. Possibly a winter at the Academy would be a good thing - there hasn't really been an effective left-arm seamer for England in recent years with (perhaps) the exception af Alan Mullally.
Regarding Mr Cork, the England selectors do not seem to be able to make up their minds whether he is still an England player or not. This dilemma appears to be shared by several of the regular contributors to this site.
Against India at Trent Brige Cork had a couple of spells when he was awful and a couple of spells when he was almost unplayable. This tends to be the gentleman's problem - a perception of inconsistency which will forever follow him around.
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
That was partly caused by desperation after the abject bowling display at Headingley.
To recap:
Definites (if fit)
Hussain - captain
Trescothick
Vaughan - established openers
Butcher - much as I don't rate him, he's in form
Gough - best bowler
Hoggard - can swing it a lot when in form
Flintoff - we have no other all rounders
Probables
Crawley - has played himself back in
Stewart - fantastic form, but we don't want to leave ourselves with no-one when he quits
Caddick - doesn't travel well, except to NZ
Giles - no other spinners...
Ramprakash - *cough*
Tudor - *cough*
Key - learning
White - competent with both aspects
Possibles - plus a few wildcards
Irani - has his chance, it's down to him at the Oval
Read
Foster - future keepers
Fulton - I'll keep saying it
Knight - averaging 90+ this year. "not a test player"
Thorpe - "sabbatical" issues
Bell - potential
Blackwell - in ODI Trophy squad, for the future
Kadeer Ali
Shafayat
Hogg - impressive for U19s
Harmison
Jones - impressive debuts, but the "wrong" counties
Cork - sorry, but it's over
Maddy - hot form
Kabir Ali
Dean
Saggers - fantastic seasons (again, Martin..)
Dawson
Graeme Swann
Jason Brown
Salisbury - a few spinners - we're screwed in sydney
A heck of a lot of the bottom group won't go. But I am concerned that two which shouldn't even make "possibles" will go, namely:
Rikki Clarke
Ian Ward
And we all know full well why!
[Edited on 9/2/02 by Neil Pickup]
To recap:
Definites (if fit)
Hussain - captain
Trescothick
Vaughan - established openers
Butcher - much as I don't rate him, he's in form
Gough - best bowler
Hoggard - can swing it a lot when in form
Flintoff - we have no other all rounders
Probables
Crawley - has played himself back in
Stewart - fantastic form, but we don't want to leave ourselves with no-one when he quits
Caddick - doesn't travel well, except to NZ
Giles - no other spinners...
Ramprakash - *cough*
Tudor - *cough*
Key - learning
White - competent with both aspects
Possibles - plus a few wildcards
Irani - has his chance, it's down to him at the Oval
Read
Foster - future keepers
Fulton - I'll keep saying it
Knight - averaging 90+ this year. "not a test player"
Thorpe - "sabbatical" issues
Bell - potential
Blackwell - in ODI Trophy squad, for the future
Kadeer Ali
Shafayat
Hogg - impressive for U19s
Harmison
Jones - impressive debuts, but the "wrong" counties
Cork - sorry, but it's over
Maddy - hot form
Kabir Ali
Dean
Saggers - fantastic seasons (again, Martin..)
Dawson
Graeme Swann
Jason Brown
Salisbury - a few spinners - we're screwed in sydney
A heck of a lot of the bottom group won't go. But I am concerned that two which shouldn't even make "possibles" will go, namely:
Rikki Clarke
Ian Ward
And we all know full well why
![Edited on 9/2/02 by Neil Pickup]