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    <quack> 1958-59, without a shadow of doubt

    Why? It was too one-sided to be great

    <quack> Greatest travesty in the name of cricket

    Tell me more

    <quack> People will have to guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyeddie
    <quack> People will have to guess
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    Nope. I'll put you all out of your misery.

    There were SIX chuckers used (2 English, 4 Aussies).

    Nice gag about Mr Cheaty Sr

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra
    The 1902 series must have been one of the best, not that anyone remembers it.
    or anyone watched it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyeddie
    Nope. I'll put you all out of your misery.

    There were SIX chuckers used (2 English, 4 Aussies).

    Nice gag about Mr Cheaty Sr
    I think the England side in 1958-59 was had one of their best attacks in the history of English cricket.

    Trueman, Statham, Loader, Tyson, followed by spinners Laker and Lock.

    The fact that they ended up dropping two of this talented lot shows what an embarasment of riches the English selectors must have gladly "suffered from.

    And they had someone called Godfrey Evans as an integeral part of this demolition squad.

    Though the batting was not the greatest ever, in May and Cowdrey and the young Graveney they did have a more than decent line up to cope with the few runs theis bowlers allowed the oposition to score

    As an English county captain said around that time the secret of his teams success was a weak batting lineup and always losing the toss
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    well i have seen almost every ball of ashes cricket simce the aussies were over here in 1997 and even though they have dominated all the best out those series would be 1997 i reckon, plus i have the tape story of the ashes and the to (3) best would be 1981series, the bodyline series of 1932 & its a though choice between the 1958 series down under and the 2-2 series over here in 1972

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    I think the England side in 1958-59 was had one of their best attacks in the history of English cricket. [/B]
    *cough*Tony Lock's fast ball*cough
    *cough*Peter Loader's slower ball*cough

    I have no dispute about the quality of the others, but those two were doubtful in the extreme - and they were far better than at least two of four highly suspect Aussies (just going on second-hand information here).

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyeddie
    *cough*Tony Lock's fast ball*cough
    *cough*Peter Loader's slower ball*cough

    I have no dispute about the quality of the others, but those two were doubtful in the extreme - and they were far better than at least two of four highly suspect Aussies (just going on second-hand information here).
    Who were the four suspect bowlers on the Australian side?

    There's obviously Meckiff. Other Australian bowlers used during the tour are Davidson, Benaud, Mackay, Kline, Slater, Rorke, O'Neill and Burke. I've seen a fair bit of footage of Davidson and Benaud and they always looked pretty good to me. I've heard a few bad things about O'Neill but I don't remember much about his action from the footage I've seen. No idea about the others really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    Who were the four suspect bowlers on the Australian side?

    There's obviously Meckiff. Other Australian bowlers used during the tour are Davidson, Benaud, Mackay, Kline, Slater, Rorke, O'Neill and Burke. I've seen a fair bit of footage of Davidson and Benaud and they always looked pretty good to me. I've heard a few bad things about O'Neill but I don't remember much about his action from the footage I've seen. No idea about the others really.
    It was widely put about at the time (according to Simon Rae, at least) that the 'guilty men in English eyes were.... Jimmy Burke and Keith Slater, and the two fast men, Gordon Rorke and Ian Meckiff'.

    In fairness, from the (limited) footage I've seen of the series, Burke and Slater (who was called for throwing) were 'jerky' like Ramadhin, although nowhere near as bad as Lock. Meckiff was just an out-and-out chucker whereas Rorke, to be fair, had a permenently bent arm. He was also the world's best exponent of 'dragging' (back foot rule applied in those days) and could over-step by more than a yard.
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    ohhhhhhhh... a change of mind after reviewing th tape (Story of the ashes) the top three for me are now the 1936/37 series when the aussies were 2-0 down & came back to win the series 3-2, Botham's Ashes of 1981 then the 1972 series 2-2 series

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    ohhhhhhhh... a change of mind after reviewing th tape (Story of the ashes) the top three for me are now the 1936/37 series when the aussies were 2-0 down & came back to win the series 3-2, Botham's Ashes of 1981 then the 1972 series 2-2 series
    The 1972 series was the first I saw, so I have fond memories of it. However, it wasn't that great, in all honesty. England were very ordinary (lots of famous names, but many of them past their best), and only secured a share of the series courtesy of a very dodgy Headingly wicket which just happened to be ideal for the conveniently recalled Underwood. Aus were on the up, but weren't the side they would become when Thomson & Walker came along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    I think the England side in 1958-59 was had one of their best attacks in the history of English cricket.

    Trueman, Statham, Loader, Tyson, followed by spinners Laker and Lock.
    And yet, how many of them performed on that tour? Admittedly Tyson wasn't 100% fit, but the others had no such excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    I am not disputing that these were great series. But isnt it a big coincidence that most of the great Ashes series have been those won by England ??

    Is it because England really had to struggle and have been underdogs ?

    Is it because the British romaticise much more ?

    Is it because most of cricket history has been written by the British ?

    Is it that you are an English fan ?


    Yes, I did notice that while I was typing the post.

    Errr, I am categorically not an English fan - though I will be supporting them come The Ashes as I think Australia has held The Urn for long enough.

    I will however reconsider my list and remove the 1926 series from that list.
    Interestingly though, England won that test because of two old stagers in Hobbs and Sutcliffe and the recalled Wildfred Rhodes (48 years old!).
    Larwood, I think, made his debut in this test taking 6 wickets.

    I shall also remove the 1953 series.
    Though it was the first time a professional led England (Hutton) and featured two very good sides.

    So:

    The 1902 series for mind was the best series yet.
    (for one thing it was not dependant on one man as the 81 series was)

    The 1932/33 series because it featured two great sides.
    An awesome captain in Jardine.
    And, of course, all the acrimony and bitterness and fire of controversy.

    The 1981 series. Self explanatory really.
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    for me the last one was good. I was only taking vaughan's performances into account. might aswel i cant take nothing else from it
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBH001
    The 1902 series - the first of the all time great Australian sides up against a very powerful English outfit.
    Australia take the series (2 -1 I think? after having been in trouble earlier in the series) with England winning the famous last test at the Oval due to that famous last wicket partnership between George Hirst ('we'll get em in singles, Wilfred') and Wilfred Rhodes (whose first scoring shot was actually a boundary).
    They did get England home, confirming the views of one spectator who was heard to say, as Rhodes walked out to bat, that all would be well now that 2 Yorkshiremen were at the crease.
    Apparently another spectator fell down dead while watching and another chewed through his umbrella handle, due to the tension.

    The 1926 series which saw England reclaim the Ashes for the first time since WW1 after 4 drawn tests.
    Their win at the Oval built on a century opening stand on a treacherous wicket between Hobbs and Sutcliffe - probably the greatest opening pair of all time.

    The 1932/33 Bodyline series.

    The 1953 Ashes series. England win the last test after having drawn the 4 previous tests.

    The 1981 Ashes series. Bothams Ashes etc.
    Couldn't have put it better myself.
    Plus the 1972 series.
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