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Old 19-04-2005, 06:23 PM   #16 (permalink)
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That last statement is about as mature as me stating bias in the first place.
I never made accusations of immaturity nor did I infer maturity on my part; just that you're wrong.

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Perhaps I did jump the gun, but I refuse to believe that there is no better gloveman in the world than Gilchrist.
Good on you, viva le free speech! Part and parcel of that is that there are people who are allowed to disagree with you, however. I say Gilly is the best going around and you think otherwise. Good for you. Saying I'm biased by virtue of the fact that both Gilchrist and I reside in the same country, particularly when bias has never been part of my general MO around here (open to being told otherwise; everyone?), is just childish and petulant. That's just my opinion but I would wager that you'd have more people agreeing with that than agreeing with you saying I'm biased.
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Old 19-04-2005, 06:25 PM   #17 (permalink)
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1)Gilchrist
2)Mcullum
3)Sangakarra
4)Boucher
5)Browne

Mcullum didn't have a very good season but he is a great player as we have seen on occasions
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Old 19-04-2005, 06:35 PM   #18 (permalink)
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First off, Gilchrist is not a flawless batsman. Second, Gilchrist is a decent wicketkeeper. He is not the best wicketkeeper in the world.
Well dont keep us in suspense, who is?
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Old 19-04-2005, 06:44 PM   #19 (permalink)
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1) Gilchrist
2) The rest

And that's ignoring Gilly's batting.

Thats a huge call... he is a decent wicket keeper..nothing outstanding. I have seen him drop catches but also take some rippers.

There is no standout IMO as far as wicketkeeping as a skill goes.

While Parore was playing he was very good and stood out for his keeping alone IMO but I can't say that about anyone these days
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Old 19-04-2005, 07:07 PM   #20 (permalink)
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1 Gilli
2 Sang
3Boucher
4Jones
5Karthik
6Mcullum
ur joking right u think karthik is better then akmal as a keeper? PFFFFFFFFF
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Old 19-04-2005, 07:08 PM   #21 (permalink)
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1- gilli
2- akmal
3- rest
on just keeping skills akmal is better then the rest.
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Old 19-04-2005, 07:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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1- gilli
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3- rest
on just keeping skills akmal is better then the rest.
LOL
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Old 19-04-2005, 07:17 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Thats a huge call... he is a decent wicket keeper..nothing outstanding. I have seen him drop catches but also take some rippers.
I never said he was a "great" 'keeper per se, just the best currently going around. It says more about the standard overall than his 'keeping, really.
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I never said he was a "great" 'keeper per se, just the best currently going around. It says more about the standard overall than his 'keeping, really.

Why don't you rate McCullum or Sangakarra?
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and if u think my last post was stupid...he has more dismissals then mccullum in less matches...more then sangakara...only boucher has more dismissals at the same stage...but ill put that down to the fact he played with pollock...:P and errr donald...akmal played with sami and co who dont seem to b as good as getting nicks
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and if u think my last post was stupid...he has more dismissals then mccullum in less matches...more then sangakara...only boucher has more dismissals at the same stage...but ill put that down to the fact he played with pollock...:P and errr donald...akmal played with sami and co who dont seem to b as good as getting nicks

A keeper can't really create a chance.. they can only take what is given to them.. fair enough they can convert half chances but the fact that he has more dismissals is realy irrelevant.

A good stat would be a catch/drop ratio
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Why don't you rate McCullum or Sangakarra?
In my view both are batsmen/keepers rather than the other way around. They're both solid glovemen who are well and truly Test standard but i put Gilly right at the top of glovemen today. Basically, I find it difficult to separate Sangakkara/McCallum/Boucher and the like because I think they're roughly of the same standard with small variations between all of them (some are slightly better at keeping to pacers, others to spinners, etc.). So yeah, they're mostly similar but for mine, Gilchrist is a level above all of them. Keeping to spinners, he seems a notch below Sangakkara but to pacers, other than an atrocious 2003/04, Gilchrist is above the other 'keepers in the world.

Not saying you or anyone is wrong, just justifying my opinion.

I must say I liked the look of Kamran Akmal, though. He can really keep and he can REALLY bat too. That hundred he got in the ODI here last season was a gem.
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I never made accusations of immaturity nor did I infer maturity on my part; just that you're wrong.
Fair enough. I was admitting immaturity on my part though.
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Good on you, viva le free speech! Part and parcel of that is that there are people who are allowed to disagree with you, however. I say Gilly is the best going around and you think otherwise. Good for you. Saying I'm biased by virtue of the fact that both Gilchrist and I reside in the same country, particularly when bias has never been part of my general MO around here (open to being told otherwise; everyone?), is just childish and petulant. That's just my opinion but I would wager that you'd have more people agreeing with that than agreeing with you saying I'm biased.
Hmmm.... Didn't I already say I was wrong to state bias?
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I wouldnt rate boucher that high...simply because he is a terrible keeper against spin.Gilly-Sangy is pretty much indisputable....
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As far as wicket keeping/batsman goes then there is no compariosion that gilly is the best.
No one is even close.

As far as just keeping goes, they are all pretty close.
Mccullum has been improving his keeping a lot.
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