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    • James Marshall, according to CricInfo, used to open quite often, and given his form at the top of the order, he may be given an extended run. Cumming hasn't done much of note, but still worth an extension- this chopping and changing of openers and promotion of misfits at the top has to stop.
    • The team can try out Peter Fulton, given his recent form and his impressive domestic record. Maybe some have their apprehensions- back-foot issues, for instance.
    • Then there is the question of the fifth bowler- they have to stick to the same bowler to bowl just as many overs (14 or 15) in every match.
    • About Jacob Oram, he should be played as a striker at number 6 and as a first-change seamer. With Oram as a bowler, there has to be a fifth.
    • With Styris and Oram not likely to return soon, they must get more runs out of Franklin and Vettori.
    • They can pick a genuine wicketkeeper, since they need to support their bowlers a lot more. Hopkins seems a good choice.
    • Once those young tearaway pacers return to full fitness, they can pick one of them for the next Test/ODI series, and they can't lose too much, given how weak their medium-pace attack is. Bond must return sooner than later- it's of no use having him left out for so long, when his career may end in the near future, and he's far better than any other bowler in this attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun
    They can pick a genuine wicketkeeper, since they need to support their bowlers a lot more. Hopkins seems a good choice.
    because McCullum's been so poor...

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    Fleming starts his season for Nottinghamshire with a bang, out for a magnificent 4 ball duck. Good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psxpro
    Anzac I don't get what you mean about oram. Why can't he bat at 7 and still bowl lots of overs.
    I think he is a very good batsman (capable of batting as high as 5 imo) who can bowl well too but it a much better bowler when other bowlers are taking wickets because he hit very hard to hit.
    my selections are based upon:
    * a 6-4 split;
    * Oram selected as a batsman in the top 6 - and only bowled as a 4th seam option;
    *depending on how the top order shapes up I'd consider using him at #5 or #7..........but as an aggressive batsman to accelerate the run rate in either position..........

    whilst I agree that he can be difficult to get away & is very good at slowing the run rate - IMO he has been doing too much bowling as either a batsman OR as an allrounder.........we have been using a 5-5 split with him as an allrounder, yet he has been used to open the bowling & bowls more overs than anyone apart from Vettori.............too much pressure then placed upon both his skills IMO & if we are to continue to use him with the ball then select him as a bowler..............but again within a 6-4 split...........


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming
    It's a bit harshing dropping Cumming. He deserves another go, and showed promise. Jamie How won't tour SA, it's almost confirmed, with Bracewell, CD coach and How himself even saying he isn't ready for the international stage yet.
    here's a thought - why do we have to debut How as an opener??????
    despite the current practice where the selectors will play just about EVERY 'newbie' as an opener, I actually think we should follow the AUS example & debut them lower in the order regardless of their pedigree.............less pressure on debut & in How's case a chance to bat with some senior players to 'assist' him in his shot selections.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by psxpro
    Mccullum should either open or bat at 8, while he is talented enough to bat higher he has been too insonsistant at important times.
    IMO opening is too much to ask until he gets his game sorted, and would probably end in the demise of his 'keeping...........

    I also think he's been trying too hard to go head to head with Gilchrist & Sangakarra in having an impact with the bat................

    but I'm more at ease with him as #3 - depending on the makeup of the openers................

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12
    You won't see me disagreeing with u on that ...Apart from his batting Styris's bowling is more than handy
    I'd actually like to see Styris concentrate on developing his off spin as his primary bowling - Bracewell supposedly thinks he has what it takes and this is one area that I'd actually take his word for it
    and he can then perform the same sort of role as Symonds - seam up or spin depending on circumstances.................and gives him a different bowling option to Astle so far as potential team selection goes.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Redman
    It seems to me as though everyone is assuming Bond is going to rip straight back in to international cricket and blast opposition batsmen out but given the length of time he's been off that's not guaranteed at all. That's why I'm starting to think we have to play both Martin and Franklin - otherwise we're too reliant on Bond and Vettori to take all the wickets, as Oram, Styris and Astle are not really wicket taking bowlers.
    I agree that there is no guarantees regarding Bond's abilities should he return, however I'm confident that even if he were only 3/4 of his former glory than that is a better option than Mills & Co, or even Tuffey in his current state - hence my inclusion of both Martin & Franklin ................both as potential wicket taking bowlers, & even if fit Tuffey goes into the mix to compete for a spot, as both Martin & Franklin have better stats as 'strike' bowlers................IMO with all things being equal, a fit Tuffey provides the same semi containment option as Oram with the ball...........

    more importantly I see Bond as the 'leader' of the seam attack - something that has been lacking in recent times.............

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    I'm still bummed out that Sinclair got the chop from both teams b4 Macca.................and I certainly have him in my squad ahead of Macca.............

    again it would depend on the makeup of the openers...........

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    so generally it would appear that most agree upon a 6-4 split atm..............

    so where is Oram - batsman or bowler?????

    the presumption is that Bond is fit, functional (even if he is only as effective as Martin & Co...) and available........

    in these circumstances Oram plays as a batsman for me, and either Astle or Styris miss the starting lineup................Styris would get my vote if he can get his spin bowling up & going.............

    the 4 specialist bowlers for me would be Bond, Martin, Franklin & Vettori - with Oram & Astle / Styris providing support..........

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    so far as the batting lineup goes - I'm not comfortable with any lineup that features Astle, Styris, Oram, McCullum & Vettori or combination of those players..............still smacks of 2nd innings brittleness for me...............I'd prefer to see Vincent or Hamish at #6..........or someone of that type..............

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    and equally I'm not convinced regarding the current top order of Cumming, James M, Hamish M & Fleming.....................their styles do not lend to an ability to accelerate the run rate or attempt to dominate the bowling....................at least not until the arrival of Fleming or at least until they have been at the crease for some time.................very much a 'safety 1st' lineup........and could place undue pressure upon the middle & lower orders to again force the pace

    not the right balance for mind..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by anzac
    so far as the batting lineup goes - I'm not comfortable with any lineup that features Astle, Styris, Oram, McCullum & Vettori or combination of those players..............still smacks of 2nd innings brittleness for me...............I'd prefer to see Vincent or Hamish at #6..........or someone of that type..............
    I don't think that there is a brittleness in there with a line up of Astle, Styris, Oram McCullum and Vettori. They aren't all of a same mould, and as seen in past games they can stick around and have great partnerships, as seen with Vettori and Oram stciking it out in the 2nd Innings in the Pakistan game last year at Hamilton. Oram and McCullum have in the past had great partnerships with Oram's hitting power and McCullum's running. I'm quite comfortable with the line up as they all have the capabilities to stick it out in the 2nd Innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anzac
    I'd actually like to see Styris concentrate on developing his off spin as his primary bowling - Bracewell supposedly thinks he has what it takes and this is one area that I'd actually take his word for it
    and he can then perform the same sort of role as Symonds - seam up or spin depending on circumstances.................and gives him a different bowling option to Astle so far as potential team selection goes.............

    That would be excellent

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ed_
    Fleming starts his season for Nottinghamshire with a bang, out for a magnificent 4 ball duck. Good stuff.
    No real surprise.

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