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    Wisden Cricketers of the Year

    Five Englishmen took the five spots. Leading Cricket In The World given to Shane Warne. Your thoughts? Did five Englishmen really deserve the five spots? Shane Warne - better than any other cricketer in 2004, or not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB
    Five Englishmen took the five spots. Leading Cricket In The World given to Shane Warne. Your thoughts? Did five Englishmen really deserve the five spots? Shane Warne - better than any other cricketer in 2004, or not?
    Hasnt Shane Warne already recieved the Wisden cricketer of the year award before ?

    He got it in 1994. You cant get it twice.

    I suppose most cricketers in the world have got it by now and English cricketers are the only ones left on the planet who have never got them before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB
    Five Englishmen took the five spots. Leading Cricket In The World given to Shane Warne. Your thoughts? Did five Englishmen really deserve the five spots? Shane Warne - better than any other cricketer in 2004, or not?
    The point of the Five Cricketers of the Year is to show the top five cricketers in the English First-Class season, so it's unsurprising that there tend to be a fair few Englishmen every year. Given that none of the players from NZ or WI (the only teams to play Tests in England in 2004) performed particularly outstandingly, and that England won every Test, it is fairly reasonable for the five to be Englishmen. I don't really see the point of it though; cricket no longer revolves around the English FC season. The Player of the Year idea is good, but there should really be more than one I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    Hasnt Shane Warne already recieved the Wisden cricketer of the year award before ?

    He got it in 1994. You cant get it twice.

    I suppose most cricketers in the world have got it by now and English cricketers are the only ones left on the planet who have never got them before
    No: you can't be named one of the Five Cricketers of the Year award twice. The Player of the Year award is a new one (began last year with Ricky Ponting), so this is obviously the first time Warne's got it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamc
    The point of the Five Cricketers of the Year is to show the top five cricketers in the English First-Class season, so it's unsurprising that there tend to be a fair few Englishmen every year. Given that none of the players from NZ or WI (the only teams to play Tests in England in 2004) performed particularly outstandingly, and that England won every Test, it is fairly reasonable for the five to be Englishmen. I don't really see the point of it though; cricket no longer revolves around the English FC season. The Player of the Year idea is good, but there should really be more than one I think.
    Ah, I see, I thought it was for the world in general. In that case, 'tis a shame they don't concentrate on the world rather than the English season these days. If they only started the international cricketer of the year last year, then they're well behind the times in my opinion.

    No: you can't be named one of the Five Cricketers of the Year award twice. The Player of the Year award is a new one (began last year with Ricky Ponting), so this is obviously the first time Warne's got it.
    I'm also quite sure that you're able to win this award more than once, too... not entirely sure, but I think I read it somewhere. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

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    The choices seem fair enough. Only New Zealand and the West Indies were otherwise eligable, and considering they didn't win a test it's fair to say the England had a good time of it and all five were deserving. In fact, four of the five were among the top performers in the year the world over, Robert Key is probably the only one who wasn't anything special. And given that England's rise and Australia's win in India for the first time in over 30 years are the key stories of the year, England dominating things seems fair enough.

    As far as the world player of the year thing is concerned, I thought you could only win it once. Perhaps this rule was changed when Wisden altered the focus of the other five players they chose last year? Anyway, Warne and McGrath were the two obvious candidates, having big years AND comebacks from a long absence, and McGrath's comeback has been much more brief, so Warne is a fair choice. Other possibles were Kallis, Kumble and Martyn.

    edit: it appears Adam has cleared this up, although I was right about the award system being changed.

    It's a good award in my opinon - players who win it multiple times will certainly be revered for it, and it's an opportunity for Wisden to have an award that takes into account ONLY the past 12 months and picks the best overall player, rather than saying "well Lara had a great year, but Strauss was more of a revelation even if he wasn't quite as great, so we'll pick him".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB
    Five Englishmen took the five spots. Leading Cricket In The World given to Shane Warne. Your thoughts? Did five Englishmen really deserve the five spots? Shane Warne - better than any other cricketer in 2004, or not?
    Don't really have a problem with the five cricketers of the year... I can't think of too many international players who have had that much of an impact on the English FC season.
    I don't really agree with Warne. IMO there have been bigger matchwinners throughout 2004, and other cricketers have performed just as well, if not better. I think Kumble would've been a better choice myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamc
    No: you can't be named one of the Five Cricketers of the Year award twice.

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    What did I say ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    HUH .

    What did I say ?
    I was agreeing with you on that point. But I was saying that Warne was not one of the Five Cricketers of the Year this year. Rather, he was Player of the Year, which is a separate award altogether.

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    Sorry I didnt read the post properly.

    here are the winners since 1994when warne got it. As can be seen most of the worlds top players have already got it.

    1994 DC Boon, IA Healy, MG Hughes,SK Warne , SL Watkin.
    1995 BC Lara, DE Malcolm, TA Munton, SJ Rhodes, KC Wessels.
    1996 DG Cork, PA de Silva, ARC Fraser, A Kumble DA Reeve.
    1997 ST Jayasuriya, Mushtaq Ahmed, Saeed Anwar, PV Simmons, SR Tendulkar.
    1998 MTG Elliott, SG Law, MP Maynard, GD McGrath, GP Thorpe.
    1999 ID Austin, D Gough, M Muralitharan, A Ranatunga, JN Rhodes.
    2000 CL Cairns, R Dravid, L Klusener, TM Moody, Saqlain Mushtaq.
    2001 MW Alleyne, MP Bicknell, AR Caddick, JL Langer, DS Lehmann.
    2002 A Flower, AC Gilchrist, JN Gillespie, VVS Laxman, DR Martyn.
    2003 ML Hayden, AJ Hollioake, N Hussain, SM Pollock, MP Vaughan.
    2004 CJ Adams, A Flintoff, IJ Harvey, G Kirsten, GC Smith.
    2005 AF Giles, SJ Harmison, RWT Key, AJ Strauss, ME Trescothick.

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    QUICK QUESTION :

    Which was the last TOURING New Zealander to be one of the five Wisden Cricketers of the Year?

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    I really like the Wisden 40. I think it's a fantastic addition to the almanac, as is the number one player that comes as part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    I really like the Wisden 40. I think it's a fantastic addition to the almanac, as is the number one player that comes as part of it.
    Whoops, forgot about the Wisden Forty. I retract my earlier comment: "The Player of the Year idea is good, but there should really be more than one I think." Consider it retracted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS
    QUICK QUESTION :

    Which was the last TOURING New Zealander to be one of the five Wisden Cricketers of the Year?
    AR Caddick, probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamc
    Whoops, forgot about the Wisden Forty. I retract my earlier comment: "The Player of the Year idea is good, but there should really be more than one I think." Consider it retracted.
    Well, there is still only one player of the year, as he is the best of the Wisden 40.

    40 players might seem like a lot, but I think it an excellent historical resource in the making. The reason is, the Wisden Almanac is unquestionably the best text resource we have for judging the game from prior eras. We all know of the fundamental weaknesses of purely statistical analysis as it does not take into account the circumstances in which the runs and wickets were picked up, whereas Wisden does, utilising the best cricket writers we have in the process. The Wisden 40 will be an excellent resource in the future to reflect back on in terms of discussing who were the solid performers of an era. Obviously the best players may remain in it for years on end, while others will have a good year and come in only to fade again.

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