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    Fantasy Cricket - The Greatest English XI vs The Greatest Australian XI)

    England vs Australia (The Ultimate Ashes Test)
    Played at Lord's

    Australian XI

    Bill Lawry
    Arthur Morris
    Nei Harvey
    Don Bradman * - Captian
    Greg Chappell
    Keith Miller
    Adam Gilchrist + - Keeper
    Ray Lindwall
    Shane Warne
    Dennis Lillee
    Glenn McGrath

    Picking this Great Aussie XI wasn't straight foward firstly i had to also consider blokes like Ponsford, Woodfull, McDonald, Simpson and Taylor but looking at their overall recors i feel Lawry and Morris are the best tow combination of openers that a great Australian XI can have.

    Looking at the Middle order was pretty straight foward up to the number six postion where i have the great Keith Miller, i had to leave out great like Doug Walters which was a pretty difficult choice also names like Ian Chappell, Border & the Waugh twins came into the equation.

    The Bowling attack wasn't that that difficult to pick guys like McGrath, Lillee & Warne have to be picked along with Lindwall names like Thompson, McDermott, McKenzie were consider but i think you will agree with the fast bowlers i have chosen. Going back to Warne i also though out Benaud, Grimmet and tiger O'Reilly but i had to give Hollywood the nod. But the biggest debate in that XI could be the Keeper Gilchrist & Marsh are two greatest keeper/batsmen of all time Gilly being the better batsman of course & Marsh the better glovesman but i had to really ponder over this one and i had to give Gilly the nod eventually over his batting ability but i expect that to be the biggest disageement with the greatest Australian XI that i picked.

    England XI

    Len Hutton
    Graham Gooch
    Peter May
    Walter Hammond
    Colin Cowdrey * - Captain
    Alec Stewart + - Keeper
    Ian Botham
    Dereck Underwood
    Fred Treuman
    Alec Bedser
    Bob Willis

    Picking this English team was pretty difficult, even more than the Australian one, the openers were a headache chosing between the likes of Hobbs, Hutton, Gooch & Boycott but with hard thought i went with hutton & Gooch. The middle order was has Australia fairly easy to chose but i had to leave out the late Ken Barrington & David Gower two supeb batsmen for the Ian Botham, it was an hard choice to make but i based the selection similar to australia.

    The Keeper slot is will obviosuly start arguments some will sau Knott, i had him but then i thought about Stewart who was pretty darn good his batting i would say is better than Knott but not his glovework but i think Stewart can just get the nod over but just by a scratch , the fast bowlers was ok although greats such has John Snow & the late Brain Statham came close while the lobe spinner in dereck underwood for me is the best choice is reckon even though their was late great Jim Laker who has we all know took that amzing 19 wickets in a test againts Australia write here at my home here in manchester all those years ago and also Headly Verity another great left arm bowler for England in the 1930's.

    But my team stays has it is an if a match or a series like that could be played welllllll, the ashes would be fiercely fought contest, for once

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    i forgot Dennis Compton geeeeeeez

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    I have no real problems with either team but here are my teams:

    AUST:

    Ponsford
    Lawry
    Bradman*
    G. Chappell
    S.Waugh
    Border
    Gilchrist+
    Miller
    Warne/A. Davidson (dependent upon nature of wicket)
    Lillee
    Mcgrath

    ENG
    Hobbs
    Hutton
    Hammond
    Compton
    Barrington
    Dexter
    Stewart
    Underwood
    Trueman
    Laker
    Bedser

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    AUSTRALIA

    VT Trumper
    ML Hayden
    DG Bradman*
    GS Chappell
    RN Harvey
    AC Gilchrist+
    KR Miller
    RR Lindwall
    DK Lillee
    WJ O'Reilly
    GD McGrath

    12th Man: SK Warne


    ENGLAND

    JB Hobbs*
    L Hutton
    WR Hammond
    DCS Compton
    KF Barrington
    IT Botham
    APE Knott+
    JC Laker
    FS Trueman
    AV Bedser
    SF Barnes

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    For good measure, Don Bradman chose the following teams Ashes Teams in 1999:

    Australia: Bill Ponsford, Morris, Bradman, Harvey, Macartney, Keith Miller, Don Tallon, Ray Lindwall, Dennis Lillee, Bill O'Reilly, Clarrie Grimmett. 12th man: Benaud.

    England: Jack Hobbs, Len Hutton, Compton, May, Wally Hammond, Grace, Evans, Fred Trueman, Alec Bedser, Barnes, Hedley Verity. 12th man: Ian Botham.

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    England:

    Boycott
    Gooch
    Barrington
    Dexter
    Cowdrey(capt)
    Botham
    Knott(wkt)
    Trueman
    Laker
    Willis
    Underwood


    Australia:

    Bob Simpson(Capt)
    Justin Langer/Mark Taylor(cant make up my mind)
    Bradman
    Greg Chappell
    Border
    Miller
    Gillchrist(wkt)
    Shane Warne
    Glenn McGrath
    Alan Davidson
    Denis Lillee


    Me thinks OZ will win 3-0 or 4-1.

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    The Aus XI I'd like to see ( as opposed to the best ).

    Trumper
    Ponsford
    Bradman
    Harvey
    Jackson
    Miller
    Gilchrist
    Lindwall
    Lillee
    O'Reilly
    Thomson

    As indicated, they're selected as much on style as talent. They'd probably win, but even if they didn't it'd be fun to watch.

    Archie Jackson is probably the only surprise/unknown, but from what I've read about him, he appeared to be a delight to watch and anyone who suffered from such poor health but still averaged over 47 before he was 23 ( when he died ) can't have been a bad player. Probably the only contempory of Bradman who was favorably compared to the great man.

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    ver interesting XI you people have picked for both England & Australia i must say

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    England:

    Boycott
    Gooch
    Barrington
    Dexter
    Cowdrey(capt)
    Botham
    Knott(wkt)
    Trueman
    Laker
    Willis
    Underwood


    Australia:

    Bob Simpson(Capt)
    Justin Langer/Mark Taylor(cant make up my mind)
    Bradman
    Greg Chappell
    Border
    Miller
    Gillchrist(wkt)
    Shane Warne
    Glenn McGrath
    Alan Davidson
    Denis Lillee


    Me thinks OZ will win 3-0 or 4-1.
    Thats only because you've chosen a weak English team

    No Hobbs, Hutton, Compton or Hammond?? Not sure I'd include 2 spinners either

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    I dont consider any of the names mentioned to be in the class of batsmanship achieved by the ones i've mentioned.
    bloated stats in amatuer era doesnt count for jack with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    I dont consider any of the names mentioned to be in the class of batsmanship achieved by the ones i've mentioned.
    bloated stats in amatuer era doesnt count for jack with me.
    Hammond ?? thats a big call.

    Each to their own, although I'd doubt many would agree entirely with your England side

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    51 average against the aussies of his time who were essentially a two-man bowling unit (read: O'Reiley and Grimmett) till the post war period.

    Compared to that, i rate a 45-50 average against the likes of Lillee,Thommo,Bedi,Chandra,Prasanna,Gibbs,Imran,Ka pil, Holding,Roberts,Garner,Marshall,Croft, etc. etc. FAR FAR higher.

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    Australia
    Arthur Morris
    Justin Langer
    Donald Bradman (c)
    Neil Harvey
    Greg Chappell
    Steve Waugh
    Adam Gilchrist (k)
    Alan Davidson
    Shane Warne
    Dennis Lillee
    Glenn McGrath

    Alternatively, drop Harvey or Waugh and bring in Miller to strengthen the bowling, but I think Davidson, Lillee and McGrath are probably good enough in the fast bowling stakes to do some damage.

    England
    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton
    Denis Compton
    Walter Hammond (c)
    Ken Barrington
    Ian Botham
    Alan Knott (k)
    Jim Laker
    Fred Trueman
    Derek Underwood/Alec Bedser
    Sydney Barnes

    With three seamers already in the side, swap Bedser and Underwood at will based on pitch conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    But the biggest debate in that XI could be the Keeper Gilchrist & Marsh are two greatest keeper/batsmen of all time
    Marsh one of the 2 best keeper batsmen of all time?!!!

    I would've thought since most people seem to assume that there's no doubt Gilchrist should be in the greatest XI of all time, there's no debate here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    I dont consider any of the names mentioned to be in the class of batsmanship achieved by the ones i've mentioned.
    bloated stats in amatuer era doesnt count for jack with me.
    Good think that your opinion based on this fallacy doesn't count jack for most of us then.

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