Cricket faces chucking crisis

[FaaipDeOiad]

http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2005/APR/221754_WCI_04APR2005.html

Interesting article here. I for one have been strongly critical of the new throwing rules, primarily because I don't value at all a rule which cannot actually be enforced during the course of the game. Deciding two weeks later that someone was throwing in a test match which has already finished is of no worth at all, particularly if said bowler took a dozen wickets in the match and helped his team to victory bowling illegally. There is also the fact that bowlers have to be tested in match conditions for it to be valuable, since whether a bowler chucks in a lab or not is entirely irrelevant to whether or not he chucks in actual play.

I had not, however, considered the possibility that the mere fact that 15 degrees is now considered a reasonable degree of flexion would significantly impact on how bowlers are actually able to bowl, or that people could exploit the high tolerance levels for benefit in bowling. With umpires impotent with regard to calling throws on the pitch, if this guy is right it could turn into a serious issue unless the ICC rectify the rules shortly.

 

[deeps]

yup, if i can chuck a ball really realy fast, i could debut for australia.... chuck super quick deliveries at the bastman, and get them all out...and get told by the ICC to go for remedial stuff for my action. they could bring in a specialist chucker every game

 

[vandemataram]

http://aus.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2005/APR/221754_WCI_04APR2005.html
. There is also the fact that bowlers have to be tested in match conditions for it to be valuable, since whether a bowler chucks in a lab or not is entirely irrelevant to whether or not he chucks in actual play.
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I think they do get reported eventually.Don't think they can play hide and seek in real matches.

 

[vandemataram]

Brett lee seems to be the bowler who have been bowling faster (than ever before) with a shorter run up.... interesting!

 

[SJS]

ICC refuses to face the Chucking Crisis !!

 

[psxpro]

ICC is Sh*T. They will do nothing to fix it.

 

[Slats4ever]

Brett lee seems to be the bowler who have been bowling faster (than ever before) with a shorter run up.... interesting!

Muttiah Muralitharan and Harbajahn Singh seems to be the bowlers who have been turning it the most (than ever before)... interesting..

 

[SJS]

"The testing we've done shows that bowlers can basically perform a throwing action and do it legally," he told the newspaper. "The implications are huge. The extreme result would be it radically changes the way bowling technique is taught.


"Fast bowlers would use much shorter run-ups because they'd have a far more efficient way of delivering the ball quickly, with a slightly modified throw. This means that fast bowlers could actually bowl for longer spells. Finger spinners would be more accurate and could bowl much faster. There would be more doosras in the game. Batsmen could find the game much more difficult, and dangerous. You can effectively have a throwing action which is legal."


Ferdinands claimed to have tried the technique himself. "I just learnt how to do it and I was faster than 100kmh off five paces and I don't even have a strong throwing arm."

So whats new ??

We have been saying the same on this forum for months.

 

[telsor]

This was always going to be a problem...It's an advantage to be able to bend the arm, therefore the bowlers of tomorrow will bend to the maximum allowable..of course, that will lead to new tests that show that most bowlers bowl 12-15%, leading to a further relaxation of the rules, etc etc etc.

The base problem is the ICC. People seem to think it's there for the good of cricket. It's not, it's a POLITICAL organisation and the national organisations will vote according to their own interests.

 

[SJS]

This was always going to be a problem...It's an advantage to be able to bend the arm, therefore the bowlers of tomorrow will bend to the maximum allowable..of course, that will lead to new tests that show that most bowlers bowl 12-15%, leading to a further relaxation of the rules, etc etc etc.

The base problem is the ICC. People seem to think it's there for the good of cricket. It's not, it's a POLITICAL organisation and the national organisations will vote according to their own interests.

I think ICC is much worse than the MCC and that is really saying something

 

[chaminda_00]

What about this for a sort of solution, u can't play Test Cricket or ODI unless your action is cleared by the ICC first. Anyone who get called up to a squad that has played any internationals or hasn't played for 6 months have to be cleared by the Match Referee and Umpires before being able to play. This will stop new players coming in and balantly chucking. In theory you have to prove that your action is correct before u bowl, stop the problem before it starts.

 

[Prince EWS]

What about this for a sort of solution, u can't play Test Cricket or ODI unless your action is cleared by the ICC first. Anyone who get called up to a squad that has played any internationals or hasn't played for 6 months have to be cleared by the Match Referee and Umpires before being able to play. This will stop new players coming in and balantly chucking. In theory you have to prove that your action is correct before u bowl, stop the problem before it starts.

But then people would just change their actions afterwards.

Get into test cricket, then get coaching to help you legally chuck!

 

[SJS]

What about this for a sort of solution, u can't play Test Cricket or ODI unless your action is cleared by the ICC first. Anyone who get called up to a squad that has played any internationals or hasn't played for 6 months have to be cleared by the Match Referee and Umpires before being able to play. This will stop new players coming in and balantly chucking. In theory you have to prove that your action is correct before u bowl, stop the problem before it starts.

See the problem is basic.

You must be able to no ball a bowler if you think his action is not ABSOLUTELY clean.

Any solution which relies on clearing a bowler before or after a match is never going to work because what matters is what the bowler does during the game and that too not, as some simple minded folks think, for every delivery but a few deliveries.

Secondly, the criteria of what is legal or illegal can not be made to ruffle fewest feathers or with a misplaced notion of being fair to everyone. This has long term implications and a bowler or two or four whose careers may be affected by a particular decision SHOULD NOT influence this criteria !

 

[slugger]

one of the reasons Muli "chucks" is because he has a bent arm, saying he can't bowl due to abnormality didn't seem very "PC" so they (icc) adjusted the flexibility rule to accomadate one person. But this is how I see it if a player comes along lets say with an extra finger or even a double jointed rist are they going to accomdate them it seem like an abnormality on the surface but odd growth like that can reek havoc with the ball (ie Muli). I have a mate with a bent arm like Muli and when he bowls no matter how hard he keeps it straight and with in the rules it comes out nothing more than a straight forward chuck.

The ICC have got themselves in deep water and they'll drown the whole game as they sink deeper and deeper.

 

[SJS]

one of the reasons Muli "chucks" is because he has a bent arm, saying he can't bowl due to abnormality didn't seem very "PC" so they (icc) adjusted the flexibility rule to accomadate one person. But this is how I see it if a player comes along lets say with an extra finger or even a double jointed rist are they going to accomdate them it seem like an abnormality on the surface but odd growth like that can reek havoc with the ball (ie Muli). I have a mate with a bent arm like Muli and when he bowls no matter how hard he keeps it straight and with in the rules it comes out nothing more than a straight forward chuck.

The ICC have got themselves in deep water and they'll drown the whole game as they sink deeper and deeper.

It might make sense for BCCI to start a country wide hunt for young kids with extended elbow joints and send them to a special doosra and assorted deadly delivery schools for training. We might still catch up with Australia.

 

[chaminda_00]

Well when technology advances and a 3rd Umpire can see whether a bowler is flexing his arm over 15 degrees, as soon as the ball is bowled, is the only time when all this can fixed. When this is possible a 3rd umpire can call a bowler for throwing and if he does it twice, he gets taken off (just like beamers). Until then we probably have to live with the current situation, which is same as the old really. How many umpires apart from Hair had the balls to call a bowler during a game. Only one, that WA umpire who had mental problems and didn't understand the LBW law properly, let alone the throwing law.

 

[chaminda_00]

one of the reasons Muli "chucks" is because he has a bent arm, saying he can't bowl due to abnormality didn't seem very "PC" so they (icc) adjusted the flexibility rule to accomadate one person. But this is how I see it if a player comes along lets say with an extra finger or even a double jointed rist are they going to accomdate them it seem like an abnormality on the surface but odd growth like that can reek havoc with the ball (ie Muli). I have a mate with a bent arm like Muli and when he bowls no matter how hard he keeps it straight and with in the rules it comes out nothing more than a straight forward chuck.

The ICC have got themselves in deep water and they'll drown the whole game as they sink deeper and deeper.

Mate u don't know what u are talking consider the laws where changed to accomidate fast bowlers who couldn't keep their arms under 10 degrees, as much as it was done for Murali. Shoiab and Lee also have the same elbow problem, interesting how their the two quickest bowlers in the world. Chucking in world cricket is not a one man problem, and anyone who thinks it is has no idea what they are talking about.

 

[slugger]

are you saying shoiab and lee have arm abnormalities.

 

[chaminda_00]

are you saying shoiab and lee have arm abnormalities.

Yes mate didn't u know that, u should know the facts before u starting from the hips, with ridiculious statments. Sorry if it sounds harsh but it true.

 

[SJS]

. How many umpires apart from Hair had the balls to call a bowler during a game. Only one, that WA umpire who had mental problems and didn't understand the LBW law properly, let alone the throwing law.

Now you have hit the nail on its blooming head.

No one had the balls to call. They were stupid because they should have known better. Calling a bowler at that time, under the rules as they stood DID NOT MEAN THAT THE UMPIRE WAS SAYING THE BOWLER WAS THROWING !!

It just meant that the umpire was not FULLY SATISFIED that he was not.

Its like when an umpire gives the benefit of doubt to a batsman on a close LBW, he is not saying he thinks the ball would not have hit the stumps. He is saying he cant say with 100% certainity that it would have !

The moment you understand that, the bowler need not go into mourning. He hasnt been found guilty of anything. The umpire is just having his doubts. so the bowler was supposed to go and smoothen his action up. Most bowlers who had "kinks" in their actions, cleared them up and bowled without problems. Others gave up some deliveries where they seemed to arise doubts like Lock in his faster ones. Still other, very few, who could not get their actions improved, gave up bowling. In this category came Mckiff.

It was the end of McKiff's career but not the end of the world and the game went on.

Even for MacKiff the people who should have taken the blame is not the umpire who called him in the test match but the many umpires who DID NOT call him in the domestic first class game where his "peculiar" action HAD raised eyebrows.

So. If the umpires have a bit of their anatomy missing from their pants, ICC should have decided to operate upon them and transplanted some organs onto them. Or replaced these defective specimen with those whose bodily organs were all intact.

Changing the rules and that too in a manner that is so ludicrous as to do nothing for the game or the clarity of the law can be done, or so one thought, only by the bureaucrats of India. But I must say Gavaskar and his colleagues have put the Indian Govenment babus to shame. !!