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Old 27-03-2005, 11:56 PM   #31 (permalink)
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The simple reason i rate Sehwag above Gilly is the reason why Chappelli does too- Sehwag does his tour de force at the top of the order on a fresh pitch facing fresh bowlers while Gilly is akin to flogging a dead horse 8 outta 10 times.....
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Old 28-03-2005, 12:00 AM   #32 (permalink)
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The simple reason i rate Sehwag above Gilly is the reason why Chappelli does too- Sehwag does his tour de force at the top of the order on a fresh pitch facing fresh bowlers while Gilly is akin to flogging a dead horse 8 outta 10 times.....
since when was this thread about gilly?

most people disagree with you anyway. but that's another matter.
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Old 28-03-2005, 12:03 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Agree. Ironically I see Gilchrist's strength as a weakness. The fact he plays with such "hard-hands" early in his innings gives the bowling team a real chance. Once he's in, he is at least as devastating as Sehwag,if not more so.

But if luck doesn't go his way (which it has for him recently) or the fielding side takes the half-chances early on, i feel he's more of a chance than Sehwag. Particularly early on.
i dont agree with you much, but i do on this occasion. personally i've always thought that your best chance against gilchrist is to bowl a spinner early on in the innings, because once he gets set, he really can cause chaos in short periods of time.
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Old 28-03-2005, 12:08 AM   #34 (permalink)
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personally i thought amit varma came closest to anyone else in defining sehwag( or at least closest to why i think sehwag is so successful) in his article recently:
"His 201 today came off 262 balls, and yet, it was a watchful innings. Sehwag's watchfulness is predatorial: he waits for the right moment to pounce on his moving dinner. It is an aggressive watchfulness, not a defensive one. It intimidates the opposition, because when he gets the opportunity, he strikes with speed and finality. The rest of the time, muscles taut, mind relaxed but alert, smelling prey, he makes sure that his wicket is safe.

Even Sehwag's defence has aggression. When he defends on the back foot, he punches the ball as much as he pats it down, and it often speeds to the boundary, so well is it timed. There is nothing about his game that is diffident, and he defines a bad ball more broadly than most other batsmen. Bowlers toil in a meritocracy when they bowl to him; when they err, they pay. But he sets the terms, and soon they're broke."

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Old 28-03-2005, 12:13 AM   #35 (permalink)
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umm it came off 109 balls with 3 sixes. every gilchrist 100 has come off something near a run a ball.
yes, thats natural gilchrist he always scores fast but if u examine that century to the way he played in the 2001 series one would see how carefully he played, especially againts the spinners. For example if u compare his 121 in the 2001 series to the 104 in Bangalore u would see that he careully didn't paly any sweep shots until he was almost to a hundred all 3 of his sixes where straight down the ground, even though he scored quickly that shows that Gilchrist can play carefully
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Old 28-03-2005, 12:19 AM   #36 (permalink)
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since when was this thread about gilly?

most people disagree with you anyway. but that's another matter.
Hey man..i started this thread....so dont lecture ME on this....ease up on the control issue...let a thread develop through natural discourse instead of trying to dilligently control it...


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most people disagree with you anyway. but that's another matter.
I know but dont let logic stand in the way....the only thing that would lead to the conclusion that Gilly is equal/superior is the fact that he has played far more than Sehwag has so far...everytihng else pretty much is under lock and key for Sehwag.
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Old 28-03-2005, 12:23 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Hey man..i started this thread....so dont lecture ME on this....ease up on the control issue...let a thread develop through natural discourse instead of trying to dilligently control it...




I know but dont let logic stand in the way....the only thing that would lead to the conclusion that Gilly is equal/superior is the fact that he has played far more than Sehwag has so far...everytihng else pretty much is under lock and key for Sehwag.
No it doesn't

I've seen you argue before though and your not the type that can be swayed so i wont bother. I'm right your wrong
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Old 28-03-2005, 12:32 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Like i said-almost everything else is in Sehwag's favour.....
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Like i said-almost everything else is in Sehwag's favour.....
And like I said I don't agree..
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Old 28-03-2005, 12:39 AM   #40 (permalink)
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And like I said I don't agree..
Care to justify that position like i already have in another thread ?
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Old 28-03-2005, 12:47 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Gilchrist vs Sehwag

Middle order vs Opener

All-rounder vs specialist

Apples vs oranges

Gilly bats against bowlers who arent at their freshest and Sehwag visa versa

However, in India it's easier to bat at the top of the order than down the list

More appropriate to compare Sehwag to Dravid or Langer etc.
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Old 28-03-2005, 12:52 AM   #42 (permalink)
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we are comparing batting mate...
no question that Gilly is a much better CRICKETER than Sehwag is.

and its a ridiculous claim that it is 'easier' to bat up the order in IND or anywhere else..
thats why i guess IND has a middle order chock full of classic batsmen but apart from Gavaskar,Sidhu and Sehwag, they havnt produced any other quality opener in the last 35 years!
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we are comparing batting mate...
no question that Gilly is a much better CRICKETER than Sehwag is.

and its a ridiculous claim that it is 'easier' to bat up the order in IND or anywhere else..
thats why i guess IND has a middle order chock full of classic batsmen but apart from Gavaskar,Sidhu and Sehwag, they havnt produced any other quality opener in the last 35 years!
Gee, I wonder why that is - perhaps their brought up on a diet of spin. Do ya think?

95%of Indian wickets are slow with no bounce or seam. The new ball comes onto the bat and makes stroke-play easier. Maybe that's why even a great fast bowler like Dev barely averaged below 30 depite taking 400 test wickets.
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which only shows how ludicrous it is for you to claim that opening in IND is easier than batting at #7...
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Old 28-03-2005, 01:14 AM   #45 (permalink)
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which only shows how ludicrous it is for you to claim that opening in IND is easier than batting at #7...
If it's harder for opening bowlers in India than almost anywhere else how can it be harder for opening batsmen as well?

That makes sense.

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