southern man
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psxpro said:
You only have Cumming as a bracketed selection, while you have Marshall as the assured opener.
Cumming has shown enough to stay for a bloody long time, and keep getting consistent runs.
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"Fulton has back-foot issues" - Bracewell
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You only have Cumming as a bracketed selection, while you have Marshall as the assured opener.
Cumming has shown enough to stay for a bloody long time, and keep getting consistent runs.
not having followed the link I can't comment on the contents specifically - except to say that I can follow the general jist of what's being said from the other posts here............
IMO the only reason why anyone would listen to Bracewell atm is because of his position as Coach - his background as a player was as an off spin bowler & tail end batsman, so I hardly think he or any of the other selectors are exactly qualified to criticise the batting technique of someone with such a consistently high standard at domestic level - as none of the aforementioned selectors & coach were specialist batsmen themselves!!!!!
I'd take more notice of what the likes of M Crowe, J Wright or even G Turner had to say than the other lot - as I've been saying for yonks the selectors have filled the side with bowling converts from Styris down, and have until Oram's injury persisted with a 5-5 split with a player like Macca showing abyssmal form..............not a lot of credibility there IMO.........
their recent successes in H Marshal & Cumming to a lesser extent have basically been forced upon them - by a persistant run of injuries & poor form.................
IMO the only reason why anyone would listen to Bracewell atm is because of his position as Coach - his background as a player was as an off spin bowler & tail end batsman, so I hardly think he or any of the other selectors are exactly qualified to criticise the batting technique of someone with such a consistently high standard at domestic level - as none of the aforementioned selectors & coach were specialist batsmen themselves!!!!!
I'd take more notice of what the likes of M Crowe, J Wright or even G Turner had to say than the other lot - as I've been saying for yonks the selectors have filled the side with bowling converts from Styris down, and have until Oram's injury persisted with a 5-5 split with a player like Macca showing abyssmal form..............not a lot of credibility there IMO.........
their recent successes in H Marshal & Cumming to a lesser extent have basically been forced upon them - by a persistant run of injuries & poor form.................
ok so here's a thought.............bearing in mind that I've not seen anything of Fulton so I don't even know what he looks like let alone his style of play.......my understanding is that he is very tall - of Oram type height.............but is an elegant stroke maker in the Fleming mould, whereas I'd put Oram currently in the same group as the likes of Styris & Astle.......
so my theory as to his so called back foot issues is this - perhaps he's disadvantaged by his height when playing off the back foot on typical low & slow NZL domestic pitches, where the ball doesn't get up & come on to the bat...............much the same as H Marshall finds the going tougher at domestic level, but as a result of a different technique (and nowhere near the same scores or average)........
one way to test the theory would be to review his scores on the better pitches that have more pace & bounce to see what his scoring shots were, the % of back v front foot, the type of bowling faced & mode of dismissal - a quick look at the 'A' Team tour to RSA would be a start.............
the reason I'd be looking at pitches with more pace & bounce is that they are of the type more likely to be found overseas as opposed to a 'typical' NZL domestic type pitch........
so my theory as to his so called back foot issues is this - perhaps he's disadvantaged by his height when playing off the back foot on typical low & slow NZL domestic pitches, where the ball doesn't get up & come on to the bat...............much the same as H Marshall finds the going tougher at domestic level, but as a result of a different technique (and nowhere near the same scores or average)........
one way to test the theory would be to review his scores on the better pitches that have more pace & bounce to see what his scoring shots were, the % of back v front foot, the type of bowling faced & mode of dismissal - a quick look at the 'A' Team tour to RSA would be a start.............
the reason I'd be looking at pitches with more pace & bounce is that they are of the type more likely to be found overseas as opposed to a 'typical' NZL domestic type pitch........
I agree with you regarding a 6-4 split & Oram picked as 1 of 3 'specialist seamers atm........eventually I can see him moving up the order but only after the retirement of Astle from Test cricket...............psxpro said:
I'm still not convinced atm that he is good enough to be a specialist batsman, particularly if they revert to a 5-5 split.................much the same way that I'm not convinced that Styris should bat as high as #4 at Test level despite what he's done so far..........on the same note I'm not sure that he's a #6 either, as the middle order of Astle, Styris, Oram, McCullum & Vettori still looks to much of the same type of player & not a lot of partnerships to be had if the going was tough...........
the lineup I'd like to see atm would look something like this.........
Cumming
How / J Marshall
J Marshall / Fulton
Fleming
Astle / Styris
H Marshall
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Franklin
Bond
other contenders would include the likes of Vincent, Sinclair, Taylor, Stewart, Gaffaney & Ryder - but it would depend on whom they were to replace, where in the order & the balance of the batting lineup as to the potential selection..................
so far as the bowling goes Tuffey would remain in contention if he got his ball release sorted, along with the likes of Wiseman, Butler if he learns to pitch it up and works on getting some swing movement, C Martin if he can bowl straight or get it to move the other way...........and we're waiting with baited breath to see the development of Sherlock & Davis.............
it should be interesting to see the team in both Test & ODI modes come the next WC in a couple of years time..............
Cumming
How / J Marshall
J Marshall / Fulton
Fleming
Astle / Styris
H Marshall
Oram
McCullum
Vettori
Franklin
Bond
other contenders would include the likes of Vincent, Sinclair, Taylor, Stewart, Gaffaney & Ryder - but it would depend on whom they were to replace, where in the order & the balance of the batting lineup as to the potential selection..................
so far as the bowling goes Tuffey would remain in contention if he got his ball release sorted, along with the likes of Wiseman, Butler if he learns to pitch it up and works on getting some swing movement, C Martin if he can bowl straight or get it to move the other way...........and we're waiting with baited breath to see the development of Sherlock & Davis.............
it should be interesting to see the team in both Test & ODI modes come the next WC in a couple of years time..............
The top-order is a huge worry for NZ with Fleming being forced to move down the order. Now he joins the rest of the NZ batting lineup who wants to bat in the middle-order. Personally, I think Styris will make the side when he is fit no problem. He's the *only* NZ batsman to show he can score hundreds and go on once he has got a start. NZ needs to start developing top-order players - and Fulton is one such player who should be given a chance.
NZ has got into a lot of trouble with the likes of Astle and McMillan not being technically/mentally good enough to move up the order as their careers move on. Look at the Aussies, with the likes of Ponting/Martyn starting their careers down the order and then moving up. In recent times they've had Lehmann and Katich - who are both top-order batsman - in the middle-order.
I think NZ should learn from this and give Fulton a go - he is a top-order batsman who can bat anywhere from 3-6.
NZ has got into a lot of trouble with the likes of Astle and McMillan not being technically/mentally good enough to move up the order as their careers move on. Look at the Aussies, with the likes of Ponting/Martyn starting their careers down the order and then moving up. In recent times they've had Lehmann and Katich - who are both top-order batsman - in the middle-order.
I think NZ should learn from this and give Fulton a go - he is a top-order batsman who can bat anywhere from 3-6.
Will Scarlet
U19 Debutant
I hope Fulton scores a ton against SL in the tour match - unless Bracewell prevents his selection due to his 'technical issues' - just to show how little Bracewell knows about him.
Truth is, if Fleming was not captain he would have been dropped by now and Fulton would be playing at #4 instead; ignoring the fact that Fulton is not one of 'Bracewell's Bunch'.
Truth is, if Fleming was not captain he would have been dropped by now and Fulton would be playing at #4 instead; ignoring the fact that Fulton is not one of 'Bracewell's Bunch'.
Mr Mxyzptlk
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That's not a very good point. I've seen players with far more than just a back foot deficiency (ie a complete batting deficiency) get some big scores in the past.BlackCap_Fan said: