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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    But still nothing.
    2 years of success does not a good player make.
    well he was a good player
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    No, he wasn't. A Test-average of 31.63 is not good, especially when you can correct it to 32.10 by removing a Sri Lanka game... and it gets even worse when you consider that he only had success in 1 season (1981\82) out of 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    No, he wasn't. A Test-average of 31.63 is not good, especially when you can correct it to 32.10 by removing a Sri Lanka game... and it gets even worse when you consider that he only had success in 1 season (1981\82) out of 6.
    well i can guarantee to you that Yardley was a very good off spinner

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    Oh, I don't doubt that - just that by virtue of being an offspinner and Australian and having a career after 1970 he wasn't a particularly good cricketer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Oh, I don't doubt that - just that by virtue of being an offspinner and Australian and having a career after 1970 he wasn't a particularly good cricketer.
    ok..let me rephrase...I can guarentee that he was a very good cricketer

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    Well, you can get away with that, too - he wasn't too bad a cricketer at the domestic level.
    But in Tests he was ordinary.
    Whether eternal optimists like you think so or not.

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    Robert Croft...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dro87
    Robert Croft...
    i think thats quite enough about him, quite frankly the less said the better, very poor for england like so many before him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger
    i think thats quite enough about him, quite frankly the less said the better, very poor for england like so many before him.
    yes croft was never a class bowler but he was often the only option. I think Giles is better and england must make do with what we have untill we get a truely talented soin bowler breaking through

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    Quote Originally Posted by kendall
    yes croft was never a class bowler but he was often the only option. I think Giles is better and england must make do with what we have untill we get a truely talented soin bowler breaking through
    yes, although i dont see playing giles as just persevering with what we have, i think giles is now a more than mediocre player for england, this past year he has become quite important to the team, and has been the hero in some of the tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger
    yes, although i dont see playing giles as just persevering with what we have, i think giles is now a more than mediocre player for england, this past year he has become quite important to the team, and has been the hero in some of the tests.
    Giles has proved himself and excellent team player and an asset however he will never be a world class spin bowler

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    Quote Originally Posted by kendall
    Giles has proved himself and excellent team player and an asset however he will never be a world class spin bowler
    all very true, but still very valuable to england as he would be to several other test playing nations none the less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger
    yes, although i dont see playing giles as just persevering with what we have, i think giles is now a more than mediocre player for england, this past year he has become quite important to the team, and has been the hero in some of the tests.
    No, he's always been imperative almost any time a turning pitch has been encountered since his debut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    No, he's always been imperative almost any time a turning pitch has been encountered since his debut.
    yes although now is the case when a pitch does not have a great degree of turn in it, and he is also relied on from time to time for a performance with the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger
    i think thats quite enough about him, quite frankly the less said the better, very poor for england like so many before him.
    Poor like this?
    Croft, exactly like Giles, has almost always been a handful on a turning pitch. Of course, we don't get them at home very often, so he was totally useless at home.
    His ODI-record isn't shoddy at all, either.

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