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    Left v.s. Right hand XI's

    Pick your all time best lefthanders XI and your all time best righthanders XI.

    After you have picked your sides ask yourself Who do you think would win the game?

    (tests or ODI's, up to you)

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    What is the limiting timeperiod (if any) ?
    current, post 80s, post 70s, post war, alltime ?

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    great thread... i think it's current...

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    Um I don't mind if its current or past. Whatever you want. You could even to a current all time and an all time all time


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    current Leftis XI:

    Matthew Hayden
    Graeme Smith
    Brian Lara
    Graham Thorpe
    Kumar Sangakkara
    Saurav Ganguly(capt)
    Adam Gillchrist(wkt)
    Chaminda Vaas
    Daniel Vettori
    Irfan Pathan
    Ashley Giles

    Current Righties XI:

    Virender Sehwag
    Herschelle Gibbs
    Rahul Dravid
    Ricky Ponting(capt)
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Jacques Kallis
    Brendan MacCallum(wkt)
    Shaun Pollock/Shane Warne*
    Jason Gillespie
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Glenn McGrath


    * : depends on whether you want a savoury Warne-Murali bowling tandem or Pollock's allround capabilities and worldclass bowling abilities to backup McGrath alongside Dizzy.

    Note:
    I took into consideration career standings and not just current form...for as they say...form is temporary but class is permanent.
    I also think that the righties would cream the lefties..... as while the righties have arguably a moderately superior batting lineup, their bowling lineup blows the lefties outta the water.

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    If thats the test side, i'd have Langer over Smith.

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    I'll throw this out as a Left-handers all-time XI. The third seamer spot is a bit tough, and it was either a not really world-class seamer like Vaas or Reid, or skip the seamer and go for Verity, so I chose the latter.

    Justin Langer
    Arthur Morris
    Graeme Pollock
    Brian Lara
    Garfield Sobers
    Allan Border (c)
    Adam Gilchrist (k)
    Alan Davidson
    Wasim Akram
    Derek Underwood
    Hedley Verity

    12th Man: Bishen Bedi

    Bats very, very deep, and a pretty awesome batting lineup even without the depth. The weakness might be the bowling, but Davidson and Akram is a fair opening bowling pair in my view, and Underwood/Verity would be nasty on a wicket that was taking turn.


    For right-handers:

    Jack Hobbs
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Donald Bradman (c)
    Walter Hammond
    Greg Chappell
    Steve Waugh
    Alan Knott (k)
    Richard Hadlee
    Shane Warne
    Sydney Barnes
    Glenn McGrath

    12th Man: Keith Miller

    George Headley and Vivian Richards unlucky to miss out for Waugh, but I like picking players in these XIs where they actually batted, so Waugh made it in.


    As far as the result goes, I'd tip the righties, but it would be a fair match to see.
    The righties do lack a little bit in terms of real bowling firepower (no outright fast bowlers), but that bowling lineup would be pretty much identical to my normal all-time XI (that would have Sobers though), so I'd back it to get the job done. The batting for both sides is absolutely awesome, so I'd back the righties bowlers to do the job.
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    Alltime lefties XI:

    Roy Fredericks
    Arthur Morris
    Brian Lara
    Graeme Pollock
    Allan Border (capt)
    Gary Sobers
    Adam Gillchrist(wkt)
    Wasim Akram
    Alan Davidson
    Bishen Bedi
    Bruce Reid


    Alltime Righties XI:

    Sunil Gavaskar
    Graham Gooch
    Don Bradman
    Viv Richards
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Imran Khan(capt)
    Alan Knott(wkt)
    Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Glenn McGrath

    PS: again i say that the righties will beat the lefties...though this time, it wont be a straightforward walkover.

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    Remarkably similar Faaip...i dont mind Langer/Freddo switch to be honest....but i would include bruce reid for the lefties, seeing that Sobers can already furnish one spin option...and i think Bedi was a better bowler than Underwood....though derek was deadly on sticky wickets...

    But i definately dont see Warne ahead of Murali, Hammond and Tugga ahead of Viv and Sachin....would drop Chappell too since Braddles is two-in-one batsman and i prefer having 5 genuine bowling options in a test if i can....

    would substitute Marshall for Barnes and i guess my extra-bowling option would be Imran Khan......

    As per batting-specific positions, i dont really care unless its the openers....all the ones picked here are greats anyways and the middle order ones have shuttled around usually with success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    But i definately dont see Warne ahead of Murali, Hammond and Tugga ahead of Viv and Sachin....would drop Chappell too since Braddles is two-in-one batsman and i prefer having 5 genuine bowling options in a test if i can.... would substitute Marshall for Barnes and i guess my extra-bowling option would be Imran Khan......
    Well the Warne/Murali debate has been done to death - suffice to say my pick is Warne. Hammond beats Viv in my view, although it's very close, as is George Headley. I'm happy enough to accept Tendulkar for Waugh, but like the rest of us I have a bit of a bias towards certain styles of play, and Waugh just appeals to me. I'll take fighting spirit against strong opposition over grace and style, and Waugh's performance in the West Indies is simply the greatest individual batting display I have ever seen, perhaps just ahead of Lara's efforts on a few occasions against Australia and of course Laxman's great innings. And given my bias towards such players, Waugh just beats out Tendulkar for me, but it's a fair case either way.

    As far as the fifth bowler is concerned, a case can be made for the inclusion of Imran or Miller (Miller was my 12th man), and that would add some genuine fire to the bowling as well. I prefer a 6-4 split most of the time though, and Gilchrist is the only keeper I would really consider a batsman in his own right. Marshall was a great, but Barnes beats him for me.

    In your side, I'd pick Chappell over Tendulkar personally, and I can't see how Gooch comes close to Hobbs, who is one of the automatic selections in an all-time XI with Sobers, Gilchrist and Bradman for me.
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    Hammond beats Viv in my view, although it's very close
    its not even close IMO. Viv played a quarter more matches than Hammond i think with an average 5-6 pts below and faced infinitely superior bowling.
    Viv IMO is in the top 5 batsmen ever category and i think Wisden agrees with me on this one too.

    I'll take fighting spirit against strong opposition over grace and style, and Waugh's performance in the West Indies is simply the greatest individual batting display I have ever seen, perhaps just ahead of Lara's efforts on a few occasions against Australia and of course Laxman's great innings.
    meh. i think Waugh has a bit more fire in his belly than Tendy but most days tendy upends waugh.


    Well the Warne/Murali debate has been done to death - suffice to say my pick is Warne.
    you are entitled to your pick but then again, i hope you wont throw in an argument if someone deciedes to pick Waqar over McGrath as a test bowler or Inzamam over Ponting as a test batsman.

    Marshall was a great, but Barnes beats him for me
    again, i find that absurd. A player who played when the game was totally different, lacking professionalism and consisted of a mix of pro and amatuer players cannot be held at a higher esteem over someone who is at worst amongst the top 5 pacers since WWII and at best arguably the best pacer since WWII

    Gilchrist is the only keeper I would really consider a batsman in his own right.
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    I prefer a 6-4 split most of the time though
    fair enough i suppose
    Ideally i prefer the 5 batsmen +1 batting allrounder + 1 keeper + 4 bowlers format but in this case since Sir Don is two batsmen rolled into one, i decieded that two bowling allrounders (mind you one with a very respectable 37+ batting ave which was 50+ for the last 50 tests of his) alongside Marshall(who averaged 20 with the bat in tests IIRC) contribute more.

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    and I can't see how Gooch comes close to Hobbs
    goochie: played in a professional era with a FAR superior bowling cast faced and an EXCELLENT average(for an opener) against bowling lineups like that of the WI and PAK.
    Pretty good against pace, adept against spin.

    Hobbs: massed records (his test record isnt all that great mind you- sutcliffe's is better) in an era with highly inconsistent bowling quality, unprofessionalism and far less tested in different conditions.

    I actually rate Boycs ahead of Hobbs as well... and ahead of Goochie...but i would prefer a slightly more aggressive batsman than Boycs at the crease....

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    goochie: played in a professional era with a FAR superior bowling cast faced and an EXCELLENT average(for an opener) against bowling lineups like that of the WI and PAK.
    Pretty good against pace, adept against spin.

    Hobbs: massed records (his test record isnt all that great mind you- sutcliffe's is better) in an era with highly inconsistent bowling quality, unprofessionalism and far less tested in different conditions.

    I actually rate Boycs ahead of Hobbs as well... and ahead of Goochie...but i would prefer a slightly more aggressive batsman than Boycs at the crease....
    hehehe...Hobbs, reputedly the greatest batsman ever on dodgy wickets, possibly the greatest opener of all time, being dissed..crazy talk that CC
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    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    its not even close IMO. Viv played a quarter more matches than Hammond i think with an average 5-6 pts below and faced infinitely superior bowling.
    Viv IMO is in the top 5 batsmen ever category and i think Wisden agrees with me on this one too.
    It's worth remembering that Hammond faced some pretty good bowling himself. I am willing to accept however that he had his average inflated somewhat by making mammoth scores against substandard teams from India, New Zealand etc during the period of expansion in test cricket. Still, his performances against some great Australian teams and his vital role in the great English teams of the 30s stand him in good stead, as well as the fact that, like Viv, his average looks worse than it should because of a run of outs very late in his career. Before the final couple of series, it was almost 62. Regardless, Viv is undoubtedly an all-time great and an equally valid choice for that spot in my view.

    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    meh. i think Waugh has a bit more fire in his belly than Tendy but most days tendy upends waugh.
    Again, perfectly valid choice and I'm happy to admit that my bias towards certain sorts of players has an impact here.

    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    you are entitled to your pick but then again, i hope you wont throw in an argument if someone deciedes to pick Waqar over McGrath as a test bowler or Inzamam over Ponting as a test batsman.
    I am not saying I'm not willing to defend my pick, and I am happy to do so and have done so in the past - in conversations with YOU, among others. Hence, I don't want to spam this perfectly decent thread with another murali v warne argument. If you want to have the debate again with me, I'll do it next time the issue itself comes up.

    Quote Originally Posted by C_C
    again, i find that absurd. A player who played when the game was totally different, lacking professionalism and consisted of a mix of pro and amatuer players cannot be held at a higher esteem over someone who is at worst amongst the top 5 pacers since WWII and at best arguably the best pacer since WWII
    I wouldn't quite put him in my top 5 since WW2 actually. I'd have McGrath, Hadlee, Davidson, Imran and probably Lillee and Holding ahead of him. Ambrose makes a fair case as well. Anyway, Barnes dominated bowling in his era like few ever have, before or since. He was involved in so many advancements of the game in his time that I cannot see how he can not be considered one of the greatest players of all time. The simple fact that Trumper or Grace might struggle a bit in certain elements of the game during the era of professionalism doesn't mean that they don't deserve recognition as the greats that they were, and Barnes is the same. Certainly including Barnes over Marshall is nowhere near the travesty of including Gooch over Hobbs...

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    Fair call, but he's rarely a candidate for all-time XIs so I didn't think about him. Sangakkara certainly stands on his own as a batsman as well, although not of the same quality as the other two in my view. Les Ames could make a fair case as well.

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