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Thread: The ``ASHES`` and the Pietersen diillema

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    speed king i can see that u r a die hard english fan, but u got to be realistic like the rest of us its going to be extremely though for england to win back the ashes

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    the aussies hammered england 4-1 and it would have been 5-0 if gilly wasn't so kind in headingley.
    It would've surely been 4-0 then, not 5-0!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    And anyone who thinks Trescothick's better than him is delusional.
    Better than who?

    Pietersen or Butcher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    Trescothick isn't Test-class and I've never thought he was,
    Of course an average of 43 is terrible,

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    Yes, thank you for pointing that out.


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    I rate KP, but I doubt he will make a start in tests like he did in ODI's.. I think he might get exposed somewhat.. England will probably win some sessions and at least the cricket will be good.

    However, it's 3-0 Aus, another walkover, another over rated non entity of a contest..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    I rate KP, but I doubt he will make a start in tests like he did in ODI's.. I think he might get exposed somewhat.. England will probably win some sessions and at least the cricket will be good.

    However, it's 3-0 Aus, another walkover, another over rated non entity of a contest..
    Regarding KP's success in test format, I think we have been proved wrong so often in recent times by big hitting batmen that we should wait and watch. I wouldnt be so sure, either way !

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    England have shown themselves to be slightly better than SA at the moment.. What happened to a strong SA side when they played Aus last? Total devestation..

    Australia play their cricket at another level, and nobody is invited...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    England have shown themselves to be slightly better than SA at the moment.. What happened to a strong SA side when they played Aus last? Total devestation..

    Australia play their cricket at another level, and nobody is invited...
    I totally agree with u

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    England have shown themselves to be slightly better than SA at the moment.. What happened to a strong SA side when they played Aus last? Total devestation..

    Australia play their cricket at another level, and nobody is invited...
    It was hardly 'slightly better', England played below their best throughout and still won 2-1 IN South Africa and on the balance of play it should have been a bigger margin. Australia also only won 2-1 in SA (twice).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    It was hardly 'slightly better', England played below their best throughout and still won 2-1 IN South Africa and on the balance of play it should have been a bigger margin. Australia also only won 2-1 in SA (twice).
    no mate they won 2-1 in south africa and 3-0 in australia not 2-1 twice and that match that south africa one was the last match in durban

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    no mate they won 2-1 in south africa and 3-0 in australia not 2-1 twice and that match that south africa one was the last match in durban
    They won 2-1 in SA twice, I wasn't referring to what happened in Australia, Timbuktu or anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine
    It was hardly 'slightly better', England played below their best throughout and still won 2-1 IN South Africa and on the balance of play it should have been a bigger margin. Australia also only won 2-1 in SA (twice).
    I guess thats another matter, but I'd say SA were under par as well, hence them losing..

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    England should have won 3-1 though...
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    I get the feeling that this might be 1 Ashes series too soon for England.

    They are a very talented team, undoubtedly the no. 2 but there are too many "ifs"

    1. Im not convinced about Strauss - there was a definite tapering off in form in SA and now teams have had a look at him for one season it will be much more difficult for him.

    2. England does not have an established no. 3

    3. Vaughan is still not in anything like the form he was in Aus.

    4. Will Flintoff be fit?

    5. Can Flintoff produce the batting form vs Aus that he shows vs lesser teams.

    6. Geraint Jones is not a test class keeper

    7. Giles is not a match-winning spinner and plays right into the Aus left-handers strengths

    8. Anderson/Jones need to improve massively to be a threat

    9. Harmison is out of form

    As I said, they have the talent, but there are too many uncertainties to back them with any conviction.

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    ^ Top post, fully agreed

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