were we ever taking him seriously?Swervy said:
so how are they better than australia if they were couldnt even beat zimbabwe?Richard said:
incase you havent realised, so have australia in recent times. and i'll be interested in hearing which SA side managed to whitewash SL in SL. not to mention of course that australia didnt choke against particular teams.SA as good as they were never managed to beat australia at any point in time in that period.Richard said:
and how many quality pace bowlers did he succeed against before that. close to 0.Richard said:
yes they are. a team cannot be better than another team if it gets whitewashed in every game.Richard said:
It wasn't on a helpful track, it was a flat deck. It had a bit of bounce and pace in it of course since it was in Perth, but there was absolutely no seam movement, particularly by that stage in the match. It was a trademark Mcgrath performance on a wicket with nothing in it, against some poor batting. And that side included both Youhana and Inzamam, which is two of the four batsmen you named.Richard said:
Right, they were better than Pakistan and worse than Australia, who were FAR better than Pakistan.Richard said:
so what happened in australia in 98? what happened in england in 98?Richard said:
where is the evidence that SA were a better team? they were more talented than the australian team at the time, but they were certainly not more talented and far far far from being remotely as good as australia is now.Richard said:
precisely, hence saying that hoggard was one of the few bowlers that actually troubled him would only suggest the paucity of good bowling in the world today. and it would also explain how someone like him has such a brilliant average despite such obvious flaws.Richard said:
which automatically makes them better than australia doesnt it? the fact that they lost to zimbabwe in zim would suggest that they were extremely average, the fact that they got whitewashed by a worse australian team than the one now would make them even worse.Richard said:
too bad you havent been reading your own comments then.Richard said:
overrated and pretty much finishedRichard said:
read above.Richard said:
please, 2 of those bowlers were far past their prime at the time. inzy as ive said time and time again is overrated. and 2 quality batsman in the side as opposed to australias 5. really you are joke. go ahead then, compare mohammad wasim, ijaz, razzaq, youhana and moin to martyn, ponting, langer, katich and gilchrist. the fact that moin batted at 6 would only suggest how poor that batting lineup was.Richard said:
thats probably the biggest joke ive ever heard. to say that inzy is better than martyn is debateable, to say that he is twice the player as martyn is, is really inane. inzy the man whos average goes down to the low 30s when he plays australia, SA and india as opposed to martyn who averages over 40 against every test playing nation........Richard said:
so what point of his poor career post 98 are you referring to?Richard said:
because of his remarkable consistency.Richard said:
1997-1998 SAF v PAK 112 28 280 13 1 0 6/78 21.54Richard said:
just curious, what was saeed anwars First chance average? as far as i remember his innings, on several occasions that he got a 100, he was dropped very early on in his innings, especially at 2nd or 3rd slip.Richard said:
whats ignorance is that mate r u saying that neither mcgrath, gillespie, lee, kaspowicz, warne, macgill dont get anyone out because of good deliveries. You cant be serious and cricket its a batsman game if u didn't know and if a bowler wants to get u ought he has to force the batsman to play the bad stroke.FaaipDeOiad said:
i dont know where u guys come from how can u say that anwar, u got to be kidding and that shoaib akhtar is better than all the australian seamers. Firstly gillespie is a better bowler than him because he is more economical and gets batsman out, shoaib is just quick he can produce that devastating spell but he isn't consistent. I agree inzi is better than martyn and wuagh but not better than mark by a huge margin come on mate dont be outrageous and akram isn't better than all the aussie bolwers especially mcgrath they both are greats of this era so you cant make such a statementRichard said:
