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    chris gayle mate jeese u got to be kidding, he wouldn't get 10

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    Chris Gayle -

    ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS
    (including 01/02/2005)
    M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
    Batting & Fielding 113 110 6 3973 153* 38.20 77.74 9 23 49 0

    O M R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Econ
    Bowling 610.3 24 2852 95 30.02 5-46 3 1 38.5 4.67

    Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0

    unfiltered (Overall) 113 110 6 3973 153* 152* 152 38.20 9 23 9
    filtered (v Australia) 10 10 0 303 84 60 43 30.30 0 2 1

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Runs Pos Dismissal I R Match

    37 1 caught 2 L 1st ODI v Aus in WI 2002/03 at Kingston [2011]
    28 1 caught wk 1 L 2nd ODI v Aus in WI 2002/03 at Kingston [2013]
    43 1 caught 2 L 3rd ODI v Aus in WI 2002/03 at Gros Islet [2016]
    84 1 lbw 2 L 4th ODI v Aus in WI 2002/03 at Port of Spain [2018]
    5 1 lbw 1 W 5th ODI v Aus in WI 2002/03 at Port of Spain [2019]
    18 1 caught wk 2 W 6th ODI v Aus in WI 2002/03 at St George's [2020]
    60 1 bowled 2 W 7th ODI v Aus in WI 2002/03 at St George's [2021]
    0 1 lbw 2 L VB Series 1 v Aus in Aus 2004/05 at Melbourne (d/n) [2204]
    26 1 bowled 1 N VB Series 4 v Aus in Aus 2004/05 at Brisbane (d/n) [2208]
    2 1 caught wk 2 L VB Series 6 v Aus in Aus 2004/05 at Adelaide (d/n) [2212]

    Stephen Fleming

    Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0

    unfiltered (overall) 235 226 19 6648 134* 116* 115* 32.11 6 38 10
    filtered (v Australia) 37 36 3 1051 116* 111* 82 31.84 2 6 2

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Runs Pos Dismissal I *+ R Match

    35 4 caught 1 L Aust'Asia 4 v Aus in UAE 1993/94 at Sharjah [907]
    53 4 caught 2 L NZ Cent. 4 v Aus in NZ 1994/95 at Auckland [978]
    0 4 caught wk 1 L NZ Cent. F v Aus in NZ 1994/95 at Auckland [983]
    8 4 caught 1 L World Cup QF v Aus in Ind 1995/96 at Chennai (d/n) [1080]
    61 3 caught 1 * L C&U Ser. 3 v Aus in Aus 1997/98 at Adelaide (d/n) [1256]
    6 4 caught 1 * L C&U Ser. 6 v Aus in Aus 1997/98 at Melbourne (d/n) [1265]
    28 4 caught 2 * L C&U Ser. 9 v Aus in Aus 1997/98 at Sydney (d/n) [1275]
    116* 4 not out 2 * W C&U Ser. 12 v Aus in Aus 1997/98 at Melbourne [1281]
    2 4 caught 1 * L 1st ODI v Aus in NZ 1997/98 at Christchurch (d/n) [1290]
    3 4 run out 2 * L 2nd ODI v Aus in NZ 1997/98 at Wellington [1291]
    111* 4 not out 2 * W 3rd ODI v Aus in NZ 1997/98 at Napier (d/n) [1292]
    13 4 caught wk 1 * W 4th ODI v Aus in NZ 1997/98 at Auckland [1293]
    59 4 bowled 1 * L CCC (UAE) 2 v Aus in UAE 1997/98 at Sharjah (d/n) [1320]
    20 3 caught 1 * L CCC (UAE) 5 v Aus in UAE 1997/98 at Sharjah (d/n) [1324]
    9 4 bowled 2 * W World Cup 10 v Aus in Eng 1999 at Cardiff [1452]
    TDNB - - - * N 1st ODI v Aus in NZ 1999/00 at Wellington (WS) (d/n) [1563]
    14 3 caught 1 * L 2nd ODI v Aus in NZ 1999/00 at Auckland (d/n) [1565]
    24 3 caught 2 * L 3rd ODI v Aus in NZ 1999/00 at Dunedin (d/n) [1568]
    82 3 caught 2 * L 4th ODI v Aus in NZ 1999/00 at Christchurch (d/n) [1569]
    10 3 caught 1 * L 5th ODI v Aus in NZ 1999/00 at Napier (d/n) [1570]
    60* 4 not out 2 * W 6th ODI v Aus in NZ 1999/00 at Auckland (d/n) [1571]
    1 3 caught 1 * W VB Series 1 v Aus in Aus 2001/02 at Melbourne (d/n) [1783]
    13 5 stumped 1 * W VB Series 8 v Aus in Aus 2001/02 at Adelaide (d/n) [1796]
    50 3 run out 1 * L VB Series 10 v Aus in Aus 2001/02 at Melbourne (d/n) [1799]
    12 1 lbw 2 * L ICC KO 4 v Aus in SL 2002/03 at Colombo (SSC) [1877]
    48 2 caught wk 2 * L World Cup Su v Aus in SA 2002/03 at Port Elizabeth [1986]
    2 2 caught wk 1 * L TVS (Ind) 3 v Aus in Ind 2003/04 at Faridabad [2053]
    40 2 caught 1 * L TVS (Ind) 5 v Aus in Ind 2003/04 at Poona [2055]
    29 2 caught 2 * L TVS (Ind) 7 v Aus in Ind 2003/04 at Guwahati [2058]
    29 1 caught 1 * L ICC KO 9 v Aus in Eng 2004 at The Oval [2176]
    0 1 lbw 2 * W CH Trophy 1 v Aus in Aus 2004/05 at Melbourne (Docklands (d/n) [2196]
    34 1 lbw 2 * L CH Trophy 2 v Aus in Aus 2004/05 at Sydney (d/n) [2198]
    5 1 lbw 2 * L 1st ODI v Aus in NZ 2004/05 at Wellington (WS) (d/n) [2227]
    1 1 caught wk 2 * L 2nd ODI v Aus in NZ 2004/05 at Christchurch (d/n) [2228]
    1 1 bowled 2 * L 3rd ODI v Aus in NZ 2004/05 at Auckland (d/n) [2230]
    37 1 caught 1 * L 4th ODI v Aus in NZ 2004/05 at Wellington [2232]
    35 2 caught wk 2 * L 5th ODI v Aus in NZ 2004/05 at Napier [2234]


    There's little difference between the two batting wise , but Gayle is also a useful ODI bowler !!

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    yeah he is a useful ODI bowler but i looking at openers for the super test he wont get picked in front of fleming

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    As I said before, there is little between them. Gayle 9 centuries and 28 fifties in 113 ODIs v Fleming 6 centuries 38 fifties in 235 ODIS (not all as an opener ) - very little between them even as opener .

    However when you analyse Fleming's stats as an opener - things look pretty bad for Fleming !!

    Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0

    unfiltered 235 226 19 6648 134* 116* 115* 32.11 6 38 10
    filtered (V Australia as opener) 13 13 0 273 48 40 37 21.00 0 0 1
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    Runs Pos Dismissal I *+ R Match

    12 1 lbw 2 * L ICC KO 4 v Aus in SL 2002/03 at Colombo (SSC) [1877]
    48 2 caught wk 2 * L World Cup Su v Aus in SA 2002/03 at Port Elizabeth [1986]
    2 2 caught wk 1 * L TVS (Ind) 3 v Aus in Ind 2003/04 at Faridabad [2053]
    40 2 caught 1 * L TVS (Ind) 5 v Aus in Ind 2003/04 at Poona [2055]
    29 2 caught 2 * L TVS (Ind) 7 v Aus in Ind 2003/04 at Guwahati [2058]
    29 1 caught 1 * L ICC KO 9 v Aus in Eng 2004 at The Oval [2176]
    0 1 lbw 2 * W CH Trophy 1 v Aus in Aus 2004/05 at Melbourne (Docklands (d/n) [2196]
    34 1 lbw 2 * L CH Trophy 2 v Aus in Aus 2004/05 at Sydney (d/n) [2198]
    5 1 lbw 2 * L 1st ODI v Aus in NZ 2004/05 at Wellington (WS) (d/n) [2227]
    1 1 caught wk 2 * L 2nd ODI v Aus in NZ 2004/05 at Christchurch (d/n) [2228]
    1 1 bowled 2 * L 3rd ODI v Aus in NZ 2004/05 at Auckland (d/n) [2230]
    37 1 caught 1 * L 4th ODI v Aus in NZ 2004/05 at Wellington [2232]
    35 2 caught wk 2 * L 5th ODI v Aus in NZ 2004/05 at Napier [2234]


    As you can see above his performance as an opener (these are the only games where he opened ) against Australia is pretty bad. And looking at these Stats above Gayle's stats look heaps better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    South Africa 1969\70
    Australia 1948
    Australia 1934
    West Indies 1979
    West Indies 1957
    England at some point in the mid-1950s
    Pakistan 1999 (if they'd been anyone but Pakistanis they'd have broken all records)
    South Africa 1998\99
    That's about all I can do off the top of my head.
    Oh please.

    You could make a case for Australia 1948 and West Indies 1979 (although 84 was probably a better team), and I suppose at the outside maybe England in the 50s, but the rest are ridiculous. South Africa 1969/70 played one dominant series and then were banned, so we will never know how good they were. West Indies 1957 were a great side but were far from dominant even in their own era. Pakistan in 1999 were an extremely average side with some quality individuals, and they were accordingly thrashed by Australia 3-0, when Australia were far from their best. South Africa 1998/99 is frankly a joke, they wouldn't make the top 25 let alone the top 10.

    There have only been two sides before this Australian team that have so dominated cricket, and you cannot judge players on first class records or what might have been, so South Africa are out. England in the 50s would have to make the top 5 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scallywag
    So what do you think of the statement that a champion team will beat a team of champions.
    The complication is that this Australian side is both.
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    Vettori IMO would be in ahead of Kumble based on the first side selected in this thread. the fact that he seems to bowl better against Australia makes it a better decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaka
    Vettori IMO would be in ahead of Kumble based on the first side selected in this thread. the fact that he seems to bowl better against Australia makes it a better decision.
    I assume you mean ODIs?

    If so, considering (going by the last few months) that Kumble isn't even the first choice spinner for the Indian ODI team, it does seem unlikely that he'll make the ROW XI ODI team.

    Tests however, he could very well be side by side with Murali. Again its too early to tell, but in tests I have no doubt in my mind that currently (I stress currently) he is ahead of Vettori.
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    It will be interesting to see how he goes in the tests against Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaka
    It will be interesting to see how he goes in the tests against Australia.
    My guess is it will be the same as last time - he will bowl with a lot of heart and put it in the right spots and probably be his sides number one wicket taker by a mile, but still won't make it a competitive series or do enough to displace Kumble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad
    My guess is it will be the same as last time - he will bowl with a lot of heart and put it in the right spots and probably be his sides number one wicket taker by a mile, but still won't make it a competitive series or do enough to displace Kumble.
    I think that's a very fair call. NZ's "pace" attack looks as threadbare as I've seen it for a while, so Vettori is going to have v little support.

    I think it's safe to assume he'll at least bowl a lot of overs!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby
    I think that's a very fair call. NZ's "pace" attack looks as threadbare as I've seen it for a while, so Vettori is going to have v little support.

    I think it's safe to assume he'll at least bowl a lot of overs!!
    I'm not sure if I should be looking forward to watching McGrath, Gillespie and Kasprowicz/Lee bowl on seaming wickets against their batting lineup or dreading it, either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    The players were better.
    Without players you have no team.
    A team is only what the players in it make it.
    It is nothing more than a collection of players.
    that is why this Aussie team is Great. Every 11 that they send out always makes the best they can out of every situation.

    The point being made was that this is the Greatest team not the greatest collection of players. If you wanted the greatest collection, you can go and look at all those threads about Greatest XIs and all that.

    Or you could just wait for that Super Series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard
    South Africa 1969\70
    Australia 1948
    Australia 1934
    West Indies 1979
    West Indies 1957
    England at some point in the mid-1950s
    Pakistan 1999 (if they'd been anyone but Pakistanis they'd have broken all records)
    South Africa 1998\99
    That's about all I can do off the top of my head.

    The last 2 are absolutely ludicrous, as is the inclusion of a side that drew 2 and lost 3 of the 5 games they played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussie
    yeah he is a useful ODI bowler but i looking at openers for the super test he wont get picked in front of fleming
    If we're looking for openers for a Test, Fleming won't get picked!

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