Changes to the Black Caps....

[Richard]

Oram is a highly overrated bowler.

Overrated in Test-matches, certainly - and maybe a little flattered by his ranking in ODIs.
But unquestionably he's better than Tuffey and Mills.
Should have added Oram and Harris being missed - any news on Harris' potential return, haven't heard anything since that horrible shoulder-injury.
It's a shame - NZ would have had a decent chance if they could have got it together and settled for this series...
Papps
Astle
McMillan
Fleming
Marshall (H)
Cairns
?
Styris
Oram
Harris
McCullum
Vettori
Six bowlers and McCullum at ten... and someone coming-in at eleven who can smash 83 off 76 balls...
Instead, as per usual, injury disrupts the team with the best chance against Australia at just the wrong time...
And just IMAGINE if Bond had been fit...

 

[Blaze]

It is frustrating with Bond because this ODI series came two weeks too early for him.He is back at black caps training now bowling full pace aparently

 

[Blaze]

terriable, just a terriable comment. one must wonder weather u actually watch cricket

It is just my opinion and it has been backed up by everyone jumping to his defence.. He does very little with the ball either in the air or off the pitch and has been taken to the cleaners on numourous occasions by the best ODI teams and will continue to struggle bowling to the best IMO

 

[cbuts]

he has rarly ever been taken to the cleaners at odi's

problem with him in tests is that he has pretty much been spearheading our attack. but in reality he should be ur 3rd seamer. i could see him being extremly dangerous bowling in tandem with shane bond.

 

[Blaze]

he has rarly ever been taken to the cleaners at odi's

problem with him in tests is that he has pretty much been spearheading our attack. but in reality he should be ur 3rd seamer. i could see him being extremly dangerous bowling in tandem with shane bond.

6 0 41 0 6.83 1 L CCC (SL) 7 v SL in SL 2001 at Colombo
6 0 36 0 6.00 1 L Sharjah C 3 v Pak in UAE 2001/02 at Sharjah (d/n)
10 0 60 2 6.00 1 L ICC KO 4 v Aus in SL 2002/03 at Colombo (SSC)
9.5 0 65 0 6.61 2 L TVS (Ind) 5 v Aus in Ind 2003/04 at Poona [2055]
8 0 50 1 6.25 2 W 2nd ODI v Ind in NZ 2002/03 at Napier
8 0 52 2 6.50 1 W World Cup 15 v SA in SA 2002/03 at Johannesburg
10 1 52 4 5.20 1 W World Cup 38 v Can in SA 2002/03 at Benoni
7 0 48 2 6.86 1 L World Cup Su v Aus in SA 2002/03 at Port Elizabeth
10 0 68 0 6.80 1 W TVS (Ind) 6 v Ind in Ind 2003/04 at Cuttack (d/n) [2056]
7 0 67 0 9.57 1 L TVS (Ind) 9 v Ind in Ind 2003/04 at Hyderabad (Decc) (d/n)
6 0 41 0 6.83 2 W 3rd ODI v SA in NZ 2003/04 at Wellington
4 1 42 1 10.5 1 N NW Series 2 v WI in Eng 2004 at Birmingham
10 0 77 0 7.70 1 L CH Trophy 2 v Aus in Aus 2004/05 at Sydney (d/n)

 

[cbuts]

O M R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Econ
Bowling 535.5 52 2372 83 28.57 5-26 1 2 38.7 4.42


an average of 28, and an econ of 4.42. i think that ends the debate

 

[shaka]

Gaffaney is batting well in the current match, 78 in first innings, and now he is 97* and facing Lou Vincent.

 

[Richard]

O M R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Econ
Bowling 535.5 52 2372 83 28.57 5-26 1 2 38.7 4.42


an average of 28, and an econ of 4.42. i think that ends the debate

No, it doesn't, because neither of those are anything more than just-about-acceptible.
And if you get rid of the 9 wickets taken against Canada and USA the average rises steeply.

 

[Fiery]

6 0 41 0 6.83 1 L CCC (SL) 7 v SL in SL 2001 at Colombo
6 0 36 0 6.00 1 L Sharjah C 3 v Pak in UAE 2001/02 at Sharjah (d/n)
10 0 60 2 6.00 1 L ICC KO 4 v Aus in SL 2002/03 at Colombo (SSC)
9.5 0 65 0 6.61 2 L TVS (Ind) 5 v Aus in Ind 2003/04 at Poona [2055]
8 0 50 1 6.25 2 W 2nd ODI v Ind in NZ 2002/03 at Napier
8 0 52 2 6.50 1 W World Cup 15 v SA in SA 2002/03 at Johannesburg
10 1 52 4 5.20 1 W World Cup 38 v Can in SA 2002/03 at Benoni
7 0 48 2 6.86 1 L World Cup Su v Aus in SA 2002/03 at Port Elizabeth
10 0 68 0 6.80 1 W TVS (Ind) 6 v Ind in Ind 2003/04 at Cuttack (d/n) [2056]
7 0 67 0 9.57 1 L TVS (Ind) 9 v Ind in Ind 2003/04 at Hyderabad (Decc) (d/n)
6 0 41 0 6.83 2 W 3rd ODI v SA in NZ 2003/04 at Wellington
4 1 42 1 10.5 1 N NW Series 2 v WI in Eng 2004 at Birmingham
10 0 77 0 7.70 1 L CH Trophy 2 v Aus in Aus 2004/05 at Sydney (d/n)

Taking his worst bowling performances to try to prove your point doesn't work for me sorry. It's pretty hard to bag him when you look at his overall stats. The only thing I would like to see from Oram is for him to run in a bit harder and bowl it slighter quicker but I think he's worried his accuracy might be compromised.

 

[cbuts]

so we should take all the wickets off other bowlers against those **** teams, mgraths 7-14 against namiba, and god knows how many other wickets against those levels of teams etc.

 

[Zinzan]

It is frustrating with Bond because this ODI series came two weeks too early for him.He is back at black caps training now bowling full pace aparently

If what you have said is true, you'd think he could bowl 7-8 overs at least then....Maybe they are being Too cautious....

 

[Richard]

No, it's not worth the risk with the potential Bond's shown - it's far better to get him back into the perfect state for bowling than go for it too early and end his career once and for all.

 

[Richard]

Taking his worst bowling performances to try to prove your point doesn't work for me sorry. It's pretty hard to bag him when you look at his overall stats. The only thing I would like to see from Oram is for him to run in a bit harder and bowl it slighter quicker but I think he's worried his accuracy might be compromised.

Bowling it quicker won't help in ODIs, at all - if anything he could do to be 3 or 4 mph slower - then the wicketkeeper could stand up to him.
And THAT would make him one hell of a bowler - especially if he could completely cut-out no-balls.

 

[Blaze]

Taking his worst bowling performances to try to prove your point doesn't work for me sorry. It's pretty hard to bag him when you look at his overall stats. The only thing I would like to see from Oram is for him to run in a bit harder and bowl it slighter quicker but I think he's worried his accuracy might be compromised.

Cbuts said he had very rarely been taken to the cleaners so I gave a few examples.

 

[Blaze]

If what you have said is true, you'd think he could bowl 7-8 overs at least then....Maybe they are being Too cautious....

Yea aparently he was at the Christchurch game and bowling to the BC's in the nets

 

[marc71178]

No, it doesn't, because neither of those are anything more than just-about-acceptible.

Wake up - it's 2005 now not 1985.

 

[Richard]

And in 1985 anything over 4-an-over was questionable.
It is, however, only 6 years after 1999 - and nothing has changed in the way of rules in that time.

 

[Fiery]

Bowling it quicker won't help in ODIs, at all - if anything he could do to be 3 or 4 mph slower - then the wicketkeeper could stand up to him.
And THAT would make him one hell of a bowler - especially if he could completely cut-out no-balls.

Some of your arguments, like this one, only prove to show that you like to argue Richard.

 

[marc71178]

So ignore the flatness of pitches then

The game has changed in favour of batsmen, so the same economy rates cannot be applied.

 

[Richard]

Some of your arguments, like this one, only prove to show that you like to argue Richard.

Something I've never disputed, really.
I don't argue for the sake of arguing, though - I argue because I want people to see things the way I see them.