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    Par oneday Batting strike rates and Bowling economy rates?? ....

    In the early years of international oneday cricket (1970s-late 80s) a batting strike of 65/100 balls was considered very good...(Gordon Greenidge for example was 64.92 for his career) and a economy rate for a bowler at that time was expensive if it was above 4.2 per over.

    Things have certainly changed these days...

    So what is considered Par these days??

    IMO the following (given things even out with different pitches over time) apply these days....

    BATTING STRIKE RATES

    100 + Almost Freakish, (only Afridi of batsmen scoring over 1000 runs is above 100)
    85-100 Extremely High (Gilchrist, Flintoff etc)
    80- 85 Very good (Cairns, Gibbs etc)
    70-80 Good (Fleming, Ponting etc)
    65-70 Average/reasonable (Harris, Vaughan etc)
    60-65 - Slowish(Sinclair, etc)
    60> Poor/Can't hit the ball off the square (M.Richardson, Vincent etc)



    BOWLING STRIKE RATES

    4<- Absolute top bracket (Mcgrath, Murali, Larson etc)
    4-4.25 Extremely Good (Warne, Bond, Gillespie etc)
    4.25- 4.40 Very good (Vettori, Oram etc)
    4.40-4.60 Good ( Mills, Tuffey etc)
    4.60-4.80 Reasonable Average (Cairns, Lee etc)
    4.80-5.00 Below Average ( Styris, Nel)
    5-6 Poor/ Expensive ( Butler, Tendulkar)
    6< Awful....(Drum etc)


    Any thoughts on these guidelines??

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    Sounds reasonable to me, but I think bowlers economy rates are quite a lot higher than they used to be e.g. for an opening bowler I think an RPO of 4.8 is better than acceptable - theoretically means the batting team is on 72 after 15 overs which isnt bad. However since opening bowlers are generally death bowlers as well only going for 48 off 10 is quite good

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    For a bowler you need to consider strike rate.

    Nothing slows the run rate as much as taking wickets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    For a bowler you need to consider strike rate.

    Nothing slows the run rate as much as taking wickets.
    Absolutely. Bowling Strike rates play a huge Part...Thats why Lee for example is considered such a great oneday bowler, because even though his economy is 4.72, his strikerate and average is excellent.

    Same obviously applies to batsmen. Ie. Its better to average 45 @ a strikerate of 69 like Kallis than averaging 28 @ strikerate of 79 as Styris has.

    However this the purpose of this thread was just to deal with Batting Strikerates and Bowling economy rates.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Redman
    Sounds reasonable to me, but I think bowlers economy rates are quite a lot higher than they used to be e.g. for an opening bowler I think an RPO of 4.8 is better than acceptable - theoretically means the batting team is on 72 after 15 overs which isnt bad. However since opening bowlers are generally death bowlers as well only going for 48 off 10 is quite good
    Yes on a great batting track 1-50 off 10 over can represent a good bowling performance. But different pitches even these things out over time, and if you look at great opening bowlers like Pollock and Mcgrath, you'll see their career economy's are still around 3.8.

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    I really dont think 65 is an accpetable strike rate with the way batters bat. I think a recognised batsman should be 75 at the least in an ODI.

    As for bowlers, economy of under 4 is Xtreme (Shaun Pollock and Glenn McGrath receieve extra honours as they bowl at the start and the death), but for any pace bowler, it shoudl be under 5, and I can't reccomed one for the spinners, but seeing as they bowl in the middle overs they should be <4.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinzan12
    60> Poor/Can't hit the ball off the square (M.Richardson, Vincent etc)
    Vincent may have struggled on the international stage, but he is a free flowing batsman on the domestic circuit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookie
    I really dont think 65 is an accpetable strike rate with the way batters bat. I think a recognised batsman should be 75 at the least in an ODI.

    As for bowlers, economy of under 4 is Xtreme (Shaun Pollock and Glenn McGrath receieve extra honours as they bowl at the start and the death), but for any pace bowler, it shoudl be under 5, and I can't reccomed one for the spinners, but seeing as they bowl in the middle overs they should be <4.5
    Allot of spinners also bowl at the death so an RPO of 4.5 is acceptable for both spinners and pace bowlers.
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    I think an excellent strike rate for batting in ODIs has become 80+ (Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gilchrist, etc). A batting SR of 75-80 is good (Ponting, Ganguly, Lara). 70-75 is OK if you play as a #4 or #5 (Dravid, Kallis, Inzamam). Anything below 70 is poor.

    For bowlers, I'd say that an econ rate of 4.6 or below will be good. But it depends what kind of bowler you are...if it's a strike bowler, they might be expensive...but they will more than make up for it by getting wickets. It's really cool how Murali, Pollock and McGrath have maintained econ rates below 4 even in this "batting era".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReallyCrazy
    I think an excellent strike rate for batting in ODIs has become 80+ (Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gilchrist, etc). A batting SR of 75-80 is good (Ponting, Ganguly, Lara). 70-75 is OK if you play as a #4 or #5 (Dravid, Kallis, Inzamam). Anything below 70 is poor.

    For bowlers, I'd say that an econ rate of 4.6 or below will be good. But it depends what kind of bowler you are...if it's a strike bowler, they might be expensive...but they will more than make up for it by getting wickets. It's really cool how Murali, Pollock and McGrath have maintained econ rates below 4 even in this "batting era".
    Gavin Larsen's record is quite incredible considering he too played in a high scoring era (91-2000) but unlike Mcgrath, Pollock or Murali, he wasn't a strike bowler. He didn't get wickets regularly like the others keep to keep the economy down. He did it simply with an uncanny ability to put each ball on a dime.

    His ODI record shows you don't have to be a strike bowler to maintain incredible economy.....
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    answering the original qestion i would say a par batting s/r is 70 and par bowling rpo is 4.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryce
    answering the original qestion i would say a par batting s/r is 70 and par bowling rpo is 4.8
    Yep, I rated those figures around the average/goodish region

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    For a bowler you need to consider strike rate.

    Nothing slows the run rate as much as taking wickets.
    No, taking wickets has no effect whatsoever on the scoring-rate.
    Only bowling accurately does that.
    Taking wickets simply has an effect on the total.
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